Prove that $lim_{ktoinfty}{ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k } = frac{sum_{i=1}^{n}{x_i}}{n}$











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I accidentally discovered this equality, in which I can prove numerically using python.



$$lim_{ktoinfty}{ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k } = frac{sum_{i=1}^{n}{x_i}}{n}$$



But I need to prove this equality in an algebraic way and I could not get anywhere. The right-hand side is nothing more than an arithmetic mean, while the left-hand side is a modification of the geometric mean.
I hope someone can help me at this point.










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    $$lim_{ktoinfty}{ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k } = frac{sum_{i=1}^{n}{x_i}}{n}$$



    But I need to prove this equality in an algebraic way and I could not get anywhere. The right-hand side is nothing more than an arithmetic mean, while the left-hand side is a modification of the geometric mean.
    I hope someone can help me at this point.










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      I accidentally discovered this equality, in which I can prove numerically using python.



      $$lim_{ktoinfty}{ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k } = frac{sum_{i=1}^{n}{x_i}}{n}$$



      But I need to prove this equality in an algebraic way and I could not get anywhere. The right-hand side is nothing more than an arithmetic mean, while the left-hand side is a modification of the geometric mean.
      I hope someone can help me at this point.










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      I accidentally discovered this equality, in which I can prove numerically using python.



      $$lim_{ktoinfty}{ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k } = frac{sum_{i=1}^{n}{x_i}}{n}$$



      But I need to prove this equality in an algebraic way and I could not get anywhere. The right-hand side is nothing more than an arithmetic mean, while the left-hand side is a modification of the geometric mean.
      I hope someone can help me at this point.







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          Assume that $k$ is greater than twice $|x_1|+ldots+|x_n|$ and also greater than twice $M=x_1^2+ldots+x_n^2$. Over the interval $left(-frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2}right)$ we have
          $$ e^x = 1+x+C(x)x^2, qquad log(1+x)=x+D(x)x^2 $$
          with $|C(x)|,|D(x)|leq 1$. It follows that



          $$begin{eqnarray*}text{GM}(x_1+k,ldots,x_n+k)&=&kcdot text{GM}left(1+tfrac{x_1}{k},ldots,1+tfrac{x_n}{k}right)\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{n}sum_{j=1}^{n}logleft(1+frac{x_j}{k}right)right]\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]\&=&kleft[1+frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]end{eqnarray*}$$
          and the claim is proved. It looks very reasonable also without a formal proof: the magnitude of the difference between the arithmetic mean and the geometric mean is controlled by $frac{text{Var}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}{text{AM}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}$. A translation towards the right leaves the variance unchanged and increases the mean.






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          • While the above is correct (+1 for last paragraph) the result is proved via algebra alone by multiplying with conjugate.
            – Paramanand Singh
            Nov 4 at 8:17










          • Seems excellent to me. Put everything together results in: $$begin{align*} def mysum {sum_{i=1}^{n}{frac{x_i}{n}}} mysum &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ k left[1 + frac{1}{k}mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right) right] - k} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum} + lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)}, qquad text{where} lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} to 0\ &= mysum\ end{align*}$$ Then the equality is proven. Thanks a lot.
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          You could even get an interesting asymptotics considering $$y_n=sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}}$$ $$ log(y_n)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}logleft({(x_i+k)}right)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}left(log(k)+logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)right)$$ Assuming that $x_1<x_2<cdots < x_n ll k$, use the Taylor expansion of $logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)$. Then continuing with Taylor series
          $$y_n=e^{log(y_n)}implies
          y_n=k+frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$
          making
          $$ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k =frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$



          For example, using $n=10$, $k=1000$ and $x_i=p_i$, the approximation would give $frac{2572671}{200000}approx 12.8634$ while the exact calculation would lead to $approx 12.8639$






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            @GustavoAle. For sure ! I just wanted to see what would be the asymptotics. Cheers.
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          • At this point the equality is proven by applying the limit itself,$$lim_{ktoinfty}{sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k} = lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)}$$ where $$lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}} + Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right) to 0$$ remaining only $$frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}$$
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          Your expression under limit can be written as $k(a-b) $ where $$a=sqrt[n]{prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)}, b=1$$ and further $a-b=(a^n-b^n) / c$ where $a, b$ tend to $1$ and $$c=a^{n-1}+a^{n-2}b+dots+ab^{n-2}+b^{n-1}$$ tends to $n$ as $ktoinfty$. And $$a^n-b^n=prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)-1=frac{1}{k}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1/k)$$ and thus $$k(a-b) =frac{1}{n}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1)$$ and the desired limit as $ktoinfty$ is $dfrac{1}{n}sumlimits_{i=1}^{n}x_i$.






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          • Why the downvote?
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          • I thought you did not notice that only the geometric series is contained inside the nth-root, because I was unable to proceed the algebra with your suggestion, then I just left your answer unvoted.
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          • @GustavoAle: Ok I will add details of $a, b, c$. I was trying to avoid typing large expressions but it appears the readability of post decreased way too much in that process.
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          You can also give an argument using L'Hopital's rule:
          begin{align*}
          lim_{k to infty} sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n (x_i + k)} - k &= lim_{k to infty} frac{sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)} - 1}{frac{1}{k}} \
          &overset{(H)}{=} lim_{k to infty} frac{frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n frac{-x_i}{k^2} cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}}}{frac{-1}{k^2}} \
          &= lim_{k to infty}frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}} \
          &= frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i}{n}
          end{align*}






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            $$
            begin{align}
            lim_{ktoinfty}left[left(prod_{i=1}^n(x_i+k)right)^{1/n}-kright]
            &=lim_{ktoinfty}kleft[prod_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1right]\
            &=lim_{ktoinfty}frac{prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1}{logleft(prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}right)}cdotlim_{ktoinfty}frac knsum_{i=1}^nlogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\
            &=lim_{xto1}frac{x-1}{log(x)}cdotfrac1nsum_{i=1}^nlim_{ktoinfty}klogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\[9pt]
            &=frac1nsum_{i=1}^nx_i
            end{align}
            $$






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              Assume that $k$ is greater than twice $|x_1|+ldots+|x_n|$ and also greater than twice $M=x_1^2+ldots+x_n^2$. Over the interval $left(-frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2}right)$ we have
              $$ e^x = 1+x+C(x)x^2, qquad log(1+x)=x+D(x)x^2 $$
              with $|C(x)|,|D(x)|leq 1$. It follows that



              $$begin{eqnarray*}text{GM}(x_1+k,ldots,x_n+k)&=&kcdot text{GM}left(1+tfrac{x_1}{k},ldots,1+tfrac{x_n}{k}right)\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{n}sum_{j=1}^{n}logleft(1+frac{x_j}{k}right)right]\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]\&=&kleft[1+frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]end{eqnarray*}$$
              and the claim is proved. It looks very reasonable also without a formal proof: the magnitude of the difference between the arithmetic mean and the geometric mean is controlled by $frac{text{Var}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}{text{AM}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}$. A translation towards the right leaves the variance unchanged and increases the mean.






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              • While the above is correct (+1 for last paragraph) the result is proved via algebra alone by multiplying with conjugate.
                – Paramanand Singh
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              • Seems excellent to me. Put everything together results in: $$begin{align*} def mysum {sum_{i=1}^{n}{frac{x_i}{n}}} mysum &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ k left[1 + frac{1}{k}mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right) right] - k} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum} + lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)}, qquad text{where} lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} to 0\ &= mysum\ end{align*}$$ Then the equality is proven. Thanks a lot.
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              Assume that $k$ is greater than twice $|x_1|+ldots+|x_n|$ and also greater than twice $M=x_1^2+ldots+x_n^2$. Over the interval $left(-frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2}right)$ we have
              $$ e^x = 1+x+C(x)x^2, qquad log(1+x)=x+D(x)x^2 $$
              with $|C(x)|,|D(x)|leq 1$. It follows that



              $$begin{eqnarray*}text{GM}(x_1+k,ldots,x_n+k)&=&kcdot text{GM}left(1+tfrac{x_1}{k},ldots,1+tfrac{x_n}{k}right)\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{n}sum_{j=1}^{n}logleft(1+frac{x_j}{k}right)right]\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]\&=&kleft[1+frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]end{eqnarray*}$$
              and the claim is proved. It looks very reasonable also without a formal proof: the magnitude of the difference between the arithmetic mean and the geometric mean is controlled by $frac{text{Var}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}{text{AM}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}$. A translation towards the right leaves the variance unchanged and increases the mean.






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              • While the above is correct (+1 for last paragraph) the result is proved via algebra alone by multiplying with conjugate.
                – Paramanand Singh
                Nov 4 at 8:17










              • Seems excellent to me. Put everything together results in: $$begin{align*} def mysum {sum_{i=1}^{n}{frac{x_i}{n}}} mysum &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ k left[1 + frac{1}{k}mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right) right] - k} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum} + lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)}, qquad text{where} lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} to 0\ &= mysum\ end{align*}$$ Then the equality is proven. Thanks a lot.
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              Assume that $k$ is greater than twice $|x_1|+ldots+|x_n|$ and also greater than twice $M=x_1^2+ldots+x_n^2$. Over the interval $left(-frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2}right)$ we have
              $$ e^x = 1+x+C(x)x^2, qquad log(1+x)=x+D(x)x^2 $$
              with $|C(x)|,|D(x)|leq 1$. It follows that



              $$begin{eqnarray*}text{GM}(x_1+k,ldots,x_n+k)&=&kcdot text{GM}left(1+tfrac{x_1}{k},ldots,1+tfrac{x_n}{k}right)\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{n}sum_{j=1}^{n}logleft(1+frac{x_j}{k}right)right]\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]\&=&kleft[1+frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]end{eqnarray*}$$
              and the claim is proved. It looks very reasonable also without a formal proof: the magnitude of the difference between the arithmetic mean and the geometric mean is controlled by $frac{text{Var}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}{text{AM}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}$. A translation towards the right leaves the variance unchanged and increases the mean.






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              Assume that $k$ is greater than twice $|x_1|+ldots+|x_n|$ and also greater than twice $M=x_1^2+ldots+x_n^2$. Over the interval $left(-frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2}right)$ we have
              $$ e^x = 1+x+C(x)x^2, qquad log(1+x)=x+D(x)x^2 $$
              with $|C(x)|,|D(x)|leq 1$. It follows that



              $$begin{eqnarray*}text{GM}(x_1+k,ldots,x_n+k)&=&kcdot text{GM}left(1+tfrac{x_1}{k},ldots,1+tfrac{x_n}{k}right)\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{n}sum_{j=1}^{n}logleft(1+frac{x_j}{k}right)right]\&=&kexpleft[frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]\&=&kleft[1+frac{1}{k}sum_{j=1}^{n}frac{x_j}{n}+Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)right]end{eqnarray*}$$
              and the claim is proved. It looks very reasonable also without a formal proof: the magnitude of the difference between the arithmetic mean and the geometric mean is controlled by $frac{text{Var}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}{text{AM}(x_1,ldots,x_n)}$. A translation towards the right leaves the variance unchanged and increases the mean.







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              • While the above is correct (+1 for last paragraph) the result is proved via algebra alone by multiplying with conjugate.
                – Paramanand Singh
                Nov 4 at 8:17










              • Seems excellent to me. Put everything together results in: $$begin{align*} def mysum {sum_{i=1}^{n}{frac{x_i}{n}}} mysum &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ k left[1 + frac{1}{k}mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right) right] - k} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum} + lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)}, qquad text{where} lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} to 0\ &= mysum\ end{align*}$$ Then the equality is proven. Thanks a lot.
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 11:25


















              • While the above is correct (+1 for last paragraph) the result is proved via algebra alone by multiplying with conjugate.
                – Paramanand Singh
                Nov 4 at 8:17










              • Seems excellent to me. Put everything together results in: $$begin{align*} def mysum {sum_{i=1}^{n}{frac{x_i}{n}}} mysum &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ k left[1 + frac{1}{k}mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right) right] - k} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum} + lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)}, qquad text{where} lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} to 0\ &= mysum\ end{align*}$$ Then the equality is proven. Thanks a lot.
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 11:25
















              While the above is correct (+1 for last paragraph) the result is proved via algebra alone by multiplying with conjugate.
              – Paramanand Singh
              Nov 4 at 8:17




              While the above is correct (+1 for last paragraph) the result is proved via algebra alone by multiplying with conjugate.
              – Paramanand Singh
              Nov 4 at 8:17












              Seems excellent to me. Put everything together results in: $$begin{align*} def mysum {sum_{i=1}^{n}{frac{x_i}{n}}} mysum &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ k left[1 + frac{1}{k}mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right) right] - k} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum} + lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)}, qquad text{where} lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} to 0\ &= mysum\ end{align*}$$ Then the equality is proven. Thanks a lot.
              – Gustavo Ale
              Nov 4 at 11:25




              Seems excellent to me. Put everything together results in: $$begin{align*} def mysum {sum_{i=1}^{n}{frac{x_i}{n}}} mysum &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ k left[1 + frac{1}{k}mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right) right] - k} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum + Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} \ &= lim_{ktoinfty}{ mysum} + lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)}, qquad text{where} lim_{ktoinfty}{Thetaleft(frac{M}{nk^2}right)} to 0\ &= mysum\ end{align*}$$ Then the equality is proven. Thanks a lot.
              – Gustavo Ale
              Nov 4 at 11:25










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              You could even get an interesting asymptotics considering $$y_n=sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}}$$ $$ log(y_n)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}logleft({(x_i+k)}right)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}left(log(k)+logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)right)$$ Assuming that $x_1<x_2<cdots < x_n ll k$, use the Taylor expansion of $logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)$. Then continuing with Taylor series
              $$y_n=e^{log(y_n)}implies
              y_n=k+frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$
              making
              $$ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k =frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$



              For example, using $n=10$, $k=1000$ and $x_i=p_i$, the approximation would give $frac{2572671}{200000}approx 12.8634$ while the exact calculation would lead to $approx 12.8639$






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                @GustavoAle. For sure ! I just wanted to see what would be the asymptotics. Cheers.
                – Claude Leibovici
                Nov 4 at 5:20










              • At this point the equality is proven by applying the limit itself,$$lim_{ktoinfty}{sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k} = lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)}$$ where $$lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}} + Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right) to 0$$ remaining only $$frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}$$
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 5:22















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              You could even get an interesting asymptotics considering $$y_n=sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}}$$ $$ log(y_n)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}logleft({(x_i+k)}right)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}left(log(k)+logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)right)$$ Assuming that $x_1<x_2<cdots < x_n ll k$, use the Taylor expansion of $logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)$. Then continuing with Taylor series
              $$y_n=e^{log(y_n)}implies
              y_n=k+frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$
              making
              $$ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k =frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$



              For example, using $n=10$, $k=1000$ and $x_i=p_i$, the approximation would give $frac{2572671}{200000}approx 12.8634$ while the exact calculation would lead to $approx 12.8639$






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                @GustavoAle. For sure ! I just wanted to see what would be the asymptotics. Cheers.
                – Claude Leibovici
                Nov 4 at 5:20










              • At this point the equality is proven by applying the limit itself,$$lim_{ktoinfty}{sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k} = lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)}$$ where $$lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}} + Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right) to 0$$ remaining only $$frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}$$
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 5:22













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              You could even get an interesting asymptotics considering $$y_n=sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}}$$ $$ log(y_n)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}logleft({(x_i+k)}right)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}left(log(k)+logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)right)$$ Assuming that $x_1<x_2<cdots < x_n ll k$, use the Taylor expansion of $logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)$. Then continuing with Taylor series
              $$y_n=e^{log(y_n)}implies
              y_n=k+frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$
              making
              $$ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k =frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$



              For example, using $n=10$, $k=1000$ and $x_i=p_i$, the approximation would give $frac{2572671}{200000}approx 12.8634$ while the exact calculation would lead to $approx 12.8639$






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              You could even get an interesting asymptotics considering $$y_n=sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}}$$ $$ log(y_n)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}logleft({(x_i+k)}right)=frac 1n sum_{i=1}^{n}left(log(k)+logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)right)$$ Assuming that $x_1<x_2<cdots < x_n ll k$, use the Taylor expansion of $logleft(1+frac {x_i}kright)$. Then continuing with Taylor series
              $$y_n=e^{log(y_n)}implies
              y_n=k+frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$
              making
              $$ sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k =frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)$$



              For example, using $n=10$, $k=1000$ and $x_i=p_i$, the approximation would give $frac{2572671}{200000}approx 12.8634$ while the exact calculation would lead to $approx 12.8639$







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                @GustavoAle. For sure ! I just wanted to see what would be the asymptotics. Cheers.
                – Claude Leibovici
                Nov 4 at 5:20










              • At this point the equality is proven by applying the limit itself,$$lim_{ktoinfty}{sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k} = lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)}$$ where $$lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}} + Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right) to 0$$ remaining only $$frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}$$
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 5:22














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                @GustavoAle. For sure ! I just wanted to see what would be the asymptotics. Cheers.
                – Claude Leibovici
                Nov 4 at 5:20










              • At this point the equality is proven by applying the limit itself,$$lim_{ktoinfty}{sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k} = lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)}$$ where $$lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}} + Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right) to 0$$ remaining only $$frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}$$
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 5:22








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              @GustavoAle. For sure ! I just wanted to see what would be the asymptotics. Cheers.
              – Claude Leibovici
              Nov 4 at 5:20




              @GustavoAle. For sure ! I just wanted to see what would be the asymptotics. Cheers.
              – Claude Leibovici
              Nov 4 at 5:20












              At this point the equality is proven by applying the limit itself,$$lim_{ktoinfty}{sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k} = lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)}$$ where $$lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}} + Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right) to 0$$ remaining only $$frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}$$
              – Gustavo Ale
              Nov 4 at 5:22




              At this point the equality is proven by applying the limit itself,$$lim_{ktoinfty}{sqrt[n]{ prod_{i=1}^{n}{(x_i+k)}} - k} = lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}+frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}+Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right)}$$ where $$lim_{ktoinfty}{frac{left(sum_{i=1}^{n} x_iright)^2-nsum_{i=1}^{n} x^2_i}{2n^2 k}} + Oleft(frac{1}{k^2}right) to 0$$ remaining only $$frac{sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i}{n}$$
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              Your expression under limit can be written as $k(a-b) $ where $$a=sqrt[n]{prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)}, b=1$$ and further $a-b=(a^n-b^n) / c$ where $a, b$ tend to $1$ and $$c=a^{n-1}+a^{n-2}b+dots+ab^{n-2}+b^{n-1}$$ tends to $n$ as $ktoinfty$. And $$a^n-b^n=prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)-1=frac{1}{k}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1/k)$$ and thus $$k(a-b) =frac{1}{n}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1)$$ and the desired limit as $ktoinfty$ is $dfrac{1}{n}sumlimits_{i=1}^{n}x_i$.






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              • I thought you did not notice that only the geometric series is contained inside the nth-root, because I was unable to proceed the algebra with your suggestion, then I just left your answer unvoted.
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              • @GustavoAle: Ok I will add details of $a, b, c$. I was trying to avoid typing large expressions but it appears the readability of post decreased way too much in that process.
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              Your expression under limit can be written as $k(a-b) $ where $$a=sqrt[n]{prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)}, b=1$$ and further $a-b=(a^n-b^n) / c$ where $a, b$ tend to $1$ and $$c=a^{n-1}+a^{n-2}b+dots+ab^{n-2}+b^{n-1}$$ tends to $n$ as $ktoinfty$. And $$a^n-b^n=prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)-1=frac{1}{k}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1/k)$$ and thus $$k(a-b) =frac{1}{n}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1)$$ and the desired limit as $ktoinfty$ is $dfrac{1}{n}sumlimits_{i=1}^{n}x_i$.






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              • I thought you did not notice that only the geometric series is contained inside the nth-root, because I was unable to proceed the algebra with your suggestion, then I just left your answer unvoted.
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 11:34










              • @GustavoAle: Ok I will add details of $a, b, c$. I was trying to avoid typing large expressions but it appears the readability of post decreased way too much in that process.
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              Your expression under limit can be written as $k(a-b) $ where $$a=sqrt[n]{prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)}, b=1$$ and further $a-b=(a^n-b^n) / c$ where $a, b$ tend to $1$ and $$c=a^{n-1}+a^{n-2}b+dots+ab^{n-2}+b^{n-1}$$ tends to $n$ as $ktoinfty$. And $$a^n-b^n=prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)-1=frac{1}{k}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1/k)$$ and thus $$k(a-b) =frac{1}{n}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1)$$ and the desired limit as $ktoinfty$ is $dfrac{1}{n}sumlimits_{i=1}^{n}x_i$.






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              Your expression under limit can be written as $k(a-b) $ where $$a=sqrt[n]{prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)}, b=1$$ and further $a-b=(a^n-b^n) / c$ where $a, b$ tend to $1$ and $$c=a^{n-1}+a^{n-2}b+dots+ab^{n-2}+b^{n-1}$$ tends to $n$ as $ktoinfty$. And $$a^n-b^n=prod_{i=1}^{n}left(1+frac{x_i}{k}right)-1=frac{1}{k}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1/k)$$ and thus $$k(a-b) =frac{1}{n}sum_{i=1}^{n}x_i+o(1)$$ and the desired limit as $ktoinfty$ is $dfrac{1}{n}sumlimits_{i=1}^{n}x_i$.







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              • Why the downvote?
                – Paramanand Singh
                Nov 4 at 7:43










              • I thought you did not notice that only the geometric series is contained inside the nth-root, because I was unable to proceed the algebra with your suggestion, then I just left your answer unvoted.
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 11:34










              • @GustavoAle: Ok I will add details of $a, b, c$. I was trying to avoid typing large expressions but it appears the readability of post decreased way too much in that process.
                – Paramanand Singh
                Nov 4 at 11:36




















              • Why the downvote?
                – Paramanand Singh
                Nov 4 at 7:43










              • I thought you did not notice that only the geometric series is contained inside the nth-root, because I was unable to proceed the algebra with your suggestion, then I just left your answer unvoted.
                – Gustavo Ale
                Nov 4 at 11:34










              • @GustavoAle: Ok I will add details of $a, b, c$. I was trying to avoid typing large expressions but it appears the readability of post decreased way too much in that process.
                – Paramanand Singh
                Nov 4 at 11:36


















              Why the downvote?
              – Paramanand Singh
              Nov 4 at 7:43




              Why the downvote?
              – Paramanand Singh
              Nov 4 at 7:43












              I thought you did not notice that only the geometric series is contained inside the nth-root, because I was unable to proceed the algebra with your suggestion, then I just left your answer unvoted.
              – Gustavo Ale
              Nov 4 at 11:34




              I thought you did not notice that only the geometric series is contained inside the nth-root, because I was unable to proceed the algebra with your suggestion, then I just left your answer unvoted.
              – Gustavo Ale
              Nov 4 at 11:34












              @GustavoAle: Ok I will add details of $a, b, c$. I was trying to avoid typing large expressions but it appears the readability of post decreased way too much in that process.
              – Paramanand Singh
              Nov 4 at 11:36






              @GustavoAle: Ok I will add details of $a, b, c$. I was trying to avoid typing large expressions but it appears the readability of post decreased way too much in that process.
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              Nov 4 at 11:36












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              You can also give an argument using L'Hopital's rule:
              begin{align*}
              lim_{k to infty} sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n (x_i + k)} - k &= lim_{k to infty} frac{sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)} - 1}{frac{1}{k}} \
              &overset{(H)}{=} lim_{k to infty} frac{frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n frac{-x_i}{k^2} cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}}}{frac{-1}{k^2}} \
              &= lim_{k to infty}frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}} \
              &= frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i}{n}
              end{align*}






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                You can also give an argument using L'Hopital's rule:
                begin{align*}
                lim_{k to infty} sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n (x_i + k)} - k &= lim_{k to infty} frac{sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)} - 1}{frac{1}{k}} \
                &overset{(H)}{=} lim_{k to infty} frac{frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n frac{-x_i}{k^2} cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}}}{frac{-1}{k^2}} \
                &= lim_{k to infty}frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}} \
                &= frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i}{n}
                end{align*}






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                  You can also give an argument using L'Hopital's rule:
                  begin{align*}
                  lim_{k to infty} sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n (x_i + k)} - k &= lim_{k to infty} frac{sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)} - 1}{frac{1}{k}} \
                  &overset{(H)}{=} lim_{k to infty} frac{frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n frac{-x_i}{k^2} cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}}}{frac{-1}{k^2}} \
                  &= lim_{k to infty}frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}} \
                  &= frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i}{n}
                  end{align*}






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                  You can also give an argument using L'Hopital's rule:
                  begin{align*}
                  lim_{k to infty} sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n (x_i + k)} - k &= lim_{k to infty} frac{sqrt[n]{prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)} - 1}{frac{1}{k}} \
                  &overset{(H)}{=} lim_{k to infty} frac{frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n frac{-x_i}{k^2} cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}}}{frac{-1}{k^2}} \
                  &= lim_{k to infty}frac{1}{n} cdot frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i cdot prod_{j ne i} left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)}{left(prod_{i = 1}^n left(frac{x_i}{k} + 1right)right)^{1 - 1/n}} \
                  &= frac{sum_{i = 1}^n x_i}{n}
                  end{align*}







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                      $$
                      begin{align}
                      lim_{ktoinfty}left[left(prod_{i=1}^n(x_i+k)right)^{1/n}-kright]
                      &=lim_{ktoinfty}kleft[prod_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1right]\
                      &=lim_{ktoinfty}frac{prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1}{logleft(prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}right)}cdotlim_{ktoinfty}frac knsum_{i=1}^nlogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\
                      &=lim_{xto1}frac{x-1}{log(x)}cdotfrac1nsum_{i=1}^nlim_{ktoinfty}klogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\[9pt]
                      &=frac1nsum_{i=1}^nx_i
                      end{align}
                      $$






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                        $$
                        begin{align}
                        lim_{ktoinfty}left[left(prod_{i=1}^n(x_i+k)right)^{1/n}-kright]
                        &=lim_{ktoinfty}kleft[prod_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1right]\
                        &=lim_{ktoinfty}frac{prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1}{logleft(prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}right)}cdotlim_{ktoinfty}frac knsum_{i=1}^nlogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\
                        &=lim_{xto1}frac{x-1}{log(x)}cdotfrac1nsum_{i=1}^nlim_{ktoinfty}klogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\[9pt]
                        &=frac1nsum_{i=1}^nx_i
                        end{align}
                        $$






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                          $$
                          begin{align}
                          lim_{ktoinfty}left[left(prod_{i=1}^n(x_i+k)right)^{1/n}-kright]
                          &=lim_{ktoinfty}kleft[prod_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1right]\
                          &=lim_{ktoinfty}frac{prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1}{logleft(prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}right)}cdotlim_{ktoinfty}frac knsum_{i=1}^nlogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\
                          &=lim_{xto1}frac{x-1}{log(x)}cdotfrac1nsum_{i=1}^nlim_{ktoinfty}klogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\[9pt]
                          &=frac1nsum_{i=1}^nx_i
                          end{align}
                          $$






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                          $$
                          begin{align}
                          lim_{ktoinfty}left[left(prod_{i=1}^n(x_i+k)right)^{1/n}-kright]
                          &=lim_{ktoinfty}kleft[prod_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1right]\
                          &=lim_{ktoinfty}frac{prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}-1}{logleft(prodlimits_{i=1}^nleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)^{1/n}right)}cdotlim_{ktoinfty}frac knsum_{i=1}^nlogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\
                          &=lim_{xto1}frac{x-1}{log(x)}cdotfrac1nsum_{i=1}^nlim_{ktoinfty}klogleft(1+frac{x_i}kright)\[9pt]
                          &=frac1nsum_{i=1}^nx_i
                          end{align}
                          $$







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