Measuring MOSFET input capacitance?











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Am I calculating total input capacitance or gate capacitance or none of the above? And are my calculations even correct to begin with. The point of this is that I want to know what gate capacitance im dealing with to properly chose a gate resistor to give me the rise time I need, more or less.



So I have the following circuit using the old IRF540





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I am probing the gate directly and get the following readings:



enter image description here



I am loosing 500 mV somewhere but anyways:



My voltage at 1 time constant is:
(This is where the dashed vertical line is)



1t



So measuring the time from 0 V (solid vertical line) to the 1 time constant line (dashed) you can see is about 530 ns. So my time constant is 530 ns and the gate resistor is 100 ohm then:



enter image description here



Is my logic correct that this is my input capacitance? And given will this vary if I have same Vds but a Vgs that is NOT equal to Vds?



Extra points: Where are my 500 mV?










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  • I have gone back to the bench and calculated a time constant of 100nS given this capacitance and found that I need a resistor of 18ohms or so, this will get me 7.2V in 100nS, and it works give or take a few nano seconds...I guess now I need to change Vds and see how this affects this capacitance value
    – Edwin Fairchild
    Nov 7 at 1:42






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  • Your calculations are only valid for a fast enough switch
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Am I calculating total input capacitance or gate capacitance or none of the above? And are my calculations even correct to begin with. The point of this is that I want to know what gate capacitance im dealing with to properly chose a gate resistor to give me the rise time I need, more or less.



So I have the following circuit using the old IRF540





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



I am probing the gate directly and get the following readings:



enter image description here



I am loosing 500 mV somewhere but anyways:



My voltage at 1 time constant is:
(This is where the dashed vertical line is)



1t



So measuring the time from 0 V (solid vertical line) to the 1 time constant line (dashed) you can see is about 530 ns. So my time constant is 530 ns and the gate resistor is 100 ohm then:



enter image description here



Is my logic correct that this is my input capacitance? And given will this vary if I have same Vds but a Vgs that is NOT equal to Vds?



Extra points: Where are my 500 mV?










share|improve this question
























  • I have gone back to the bench and calculated a time constant of 100nS given this capacitance and found that I need a resistor of 18ohms or so, this will get me 7.2V in 100nS, and it works give or take a few nano seconds...I guess now I need to change Vds and see how this affects this capacitance value
    – Edwin Fairchild
    Nov 7 at 1:42






  • 2




    S for Siemens. s for second.
    – winny
    Nov 7 at 7:06










  • Your calculations are only valid for a fast enough switch
    – PlasmaHH
    Nov 7 at 7:38













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Am I calculating total input capacitance or gate capacitance or none of the above? And are my calculations even correct to begin with. The point of this is that I want to know what gate capacitance im dealing with to properly chose a gate resistor to give me the rise time I need, more or less.



So I have the following circuit using the old IRF540





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



I am probing the gate directly and get the following readings:



enter image description here



I am loosing 500 mV somewhere but anyways:



My voltage at 1 time constant is:
(This is where the dashed vertical line is)



1t



So measuring the time from 0 V (solid vertical line) to the 1 time constant line (dashed) you can see is about 530 ns. So my time constant is 530 ns and the gate resistor is 100 ohm then:



enter image description here



Is my logic correct that this is my input capacitance? And given will this vary if I have same Vds but a Vgs that is NOT equal to Vds?



Extra points: Where are my 500 mV?










share|improve this question















Am I calculating total input capacitance or gate capacitance or none of the above? And are my calculations even correct to begin with. The point of this is that I want to know what gate capacitance im dealing with to properly chose a gate resistor to give me the rise time I need, more or less.



So I have the following circuit using the old IRF540





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



I am probing the gate directly and get the following readings:



enter image description here



I am loosing 500 mV somewhere but anyways:



My voltage at 1 time constant is:
(This is where the dashed vertical line is)



1t



So measuring the time from 0 V (solid vertical line) to the 1 time constant line (dashed) you can see is about 530 ns. So my time constant is 530 ns and the gate resistor is 100 ohm then:



enter image description here



Is my logic correct that this is my input capacitance? And given will this vary if I have same Vds but a Vgs that is NOT equal to Vds?



Extra points: Where are my 500 mV?







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  • I have gone back to the bench and calculated a time constant of 100nS given this capacitance and found that I need a resistor of 18ohms or so, this will get me 7.2V in 100nS, and it works give or take a few nano seconds...I guess now I need to change Vds and see how this affects this capacitance value
    – Edwin Fairchild
    Nov 7 at 1:42






  • 2




    S for Siemens. s for second.
    – winny
    Nov 7 at 7:06










  • Your calculations are only valid for a fast enough switch
    – PlasmaHH
    Nov 7 at 7:38


















  • I have gone back to the bench and calculated a time constant of 100nS given this capacitance and found that I need a resistor of 18ohms or so, this will get me 7.2V in 100nS, and it works give or take a few nano seconds...I guess now I need to change Vds and see how this affects this capacitance value
    – Edwin Fairchild
    Nov 7 at 1:42






  • 2




    S for Siemens. s for second.
    – winny
    Nov 7 at 7:06










  • Your calculations are only valid for a fast enough switch
    – PlasmaHH
    Nov 7 at 7:38
















I have gone back to the bench and calculated a time constant of 100nS given this capacitance and found that I need a resistor of 18ohms or so, this will get me 7.2V in 100nS, and it works give or take a few nano seconds...I guess now I need to change Vds and see how this affects this capacitance value
– Edwin Fairchild
Nov 7 at 1:42




I have gone back to the bench and calculated a time constant of 100nS given this capacitance and found that I need a resistor of 18ohms or so, this will get me 7.2V in 100nS, and it works give or take a few nano seconds...I guess now I need to change Vds and see how this affects this capacitance value
– Edwin Fairchild
Nov 7 at 1:42




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S for Siemens. s for second.
– winny
Nov 7 at 7:06




S for Siemens. s for second.
– winny
Nov 7 at 7:06












Your calculations are only valid for a fast enough switch
– PlasmaHH
Nov 7 at 7:38




Your calculations are only valid for a fast enough switch
– PlasmaHH
Nov 7 at 7:38










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You are measuring the lump capacitance in accord with this standard model,



enter image description here



You even have observed the Miller Plateau.



The capacitances do depend on applied voltages however, see this ROHM article. As VDS increases the capacitance decreases.



Brief description of methods used to characterize individual capacitances can be found in this Vishay Siliconix appnote AN-957, see Fig.17, 18, and 19. Three configurations of a capacitance bridge are used, and then individual caps are algebraically determined.






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You are measuring the lump capacitance in accord with this standard model,



enter image description here



You even have observed the Miller Plateau.



The capacitances do depend on applied voltages however, see this ROHM article. As VDS increases the capacitance decreases.



Brief description of methods used to characterize individual capacitances can be found in this Vishay Siliconix appnote AN-957, see Fig.17, 18, and 19. Three configurations of a capacitance bridge are used, and then individual caps are algebraically determined.






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  • that is a great App note you linked. Thanks A lot!
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You are measuring the lump capacitance in accord with this standard model,



enter image description here



You even have observed the Miller Plateau.



The capacitances do depend on applied voltages however, see this ROHM article. As VDS increases the capacitance decreases.



Brief description of methods used to characterize individual capacitances can be found in this Vishay Siliconix appnote AN-957, see Fig.17, 18, and 19. Three configurations of a capacitance bridge are used, and then individual caps are algebraically determined.






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  • that is a great App note you linked. Thanks A lot!
    – Edwin Fairchild
    Nov 8 at 4:37













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up vote
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You are measuring the lump capacitance in accord with this standard model,



enter image description here



You even have observed the Miller Plateau.



The capacitances do depend on applied voltages however, see this ROHM article. As VDS increases the capacitance decreases.



Brief description of methods used to characterize individual capacitances can be found in this Vishay Siliconix appnote AN-957, see Fig.17, 18, and 19. Three configurations of a capacitance bridge are used, and then individual caps are algebraically determined.






share|improve this answer














You are measuring the lump capacitance in accord with this standard model,



enter image description here



You even have observed the Miller Plateau.



The capacitances do depend on applied voltages however, see this ROHM article. As VDS increases the capacitance decreases.



Brief description of methods used to characterize individual capacitances can be found in this Vishay Siliconix appnote AN-957, see Fig.17, 18, and 19. Three configurations of a capacitance bridge are used, and then individual caps are algebraically determined.







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