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It is probably the most well-known result in quantum mechanics that the harmonic oscillator can be solved by supersymmetry.



More precisely, the operator



$$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2$$



can be decomposed as



$$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2 = left(-frac{d}{dx}-xright)left(frac{d}{dx}-xright)=:a^*a.$$



When I tried to see whether the same holds true in spherical coordinates I noticed a complete suprise



$$left(-frac{d}{dr}-frac{n-1}{r}-rright)left(frac{d}{dr}-rright) = -frac{d^2}{dr^2} -frac{n-1}{r} frac{d}{dr} +r^2+(n-1).$$



The first three terms comprise the harmonic oscillator in spherical coordinates that is



$$-Delta_r + r^2.$$



For convenience, I discarded the angular part in this calculation.



But for some reasons I seem to get this superficial term $(n-1)$. Why is that? And can I do anything smarter to avoid this term?










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    It is probably the most well-known result in quantum mechanics that the harmonic oscillator can be solved by supersymmetry.



    More precisely, the operator



    $$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2$$



    can be decomposed as



    $$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2 = left(-frac{d}{dx}-xright)left(frac{d}{dx}-xright)=:a^*a.$$



    When I tried to see whether the same holds true in spherical coordinates I noticed a complete suprise



    $$left(-frac{d}{dr}-frac{n-1}{r}-rright)left(frac{d}{dr}-rright) = -frac{d^2}{dr^2} -frac{n-1}{r} frac{d}{dr} +r^2+(n-1).$$



    The first three terms comprise the harmonic oscillator in spherical coordinates that is



    $$-Delta_r + r^2.$$



    For convenience, I discarded the angular part in this calculation.



    But for some reasons I seem to get this superficial term $(n-1)$. Why is that? And can I do anything smarter to avoid this term?










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      It is probably the most well-known result in quantum mechanics that the harmonic oscillator can be solved by supersymmetry.



      More precisely, the operator



      $$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2$$



      can be decomposed as



      $$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2 = left(-frac{d}{dx}-xright)left(frac{d}{dx}-xright)=:a^*a.$$



      When I tried to see whether the same holds true in spherical coordinates I noticed a complete suprise



      $$left(-frac{d}{dr}-frac{n-1}{r}-rright)left(frac{d}{dr}-rright) = -frac{d^2}{dr^2} -frac{n-1}{r} frac{d}{dr} +r^2+(n-1).$$



      The first three terms comprise the harmonic oscillator in spherical coordinates that is



      $$-Delta_r + r^2.$$



      For convenience, I discarded the angular part in this calculation.



      But for some reasons I seem to get this superficial term $(n-1)$. Why is that? And can I do anything smarter to avoid this term?










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      It is probably the most well-known result in quantum mechanics that the harmonic oscillator can be solved by supersymmetry.



      More precisely, the operator



      $$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2$$



      can be decomposed as



      $$-frac{d^2}{dx^2}+x^2 = left(-frac{d}{dx}-xright)left(frac{d}{dx}-xright)=:a^*a.$$



      When I tried to see whether the same holds true in spherical coordinates I noticed a complete suprise



      $$left(-frac{d}{dr}-frac{n-1}{r}-rright)left(frac{d}{dr}-rright) = -frac{d^2}{dr^2} -frac{n-1}{r} frac{d}{dr} +r^2+(n-1).$$



      The first three terms comprise the harmonic oscillator in spherical coordinates that is



      $$-Delta_r + r^2.$$



      For convenience, I discarded the angular part in this calculation.



      But for some reasons I seem to get this superficial term $(n-1)$. Why is that? And can I do anything smarter to avoid this term?







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          Indeed, the supersymmetric operators do not factorize the Hamiltonian of the three-dimensional harmonic oscillator, there is an additional term. See Creation and annihilation operators, symmetry and supersymmetry of the 3D isotropic harmonic oscillator, equation 16.






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            Supplementing @CarloBeenakker's answer: a different sort of "factorization" of the Laplacian can be done in terms of the Dirac operator, which in some regards better preserves the nature of the situation, but/and has scalar coefficients in an appropriate Clifford algebra, which in general is not commutative. E.g., on $mathbb R$, it is $mathbb C$, which is convenient. But already in two dimensions the relevant Clifford algebra is the Hamiltonian quaternions...



            Depending what you want to do, this might be a useful direction to consider, in addition to the "scalarization" of immediate reduction to the spherically symmetric case.






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              Indeed, the supersymmetric operators do not factorize the Hamiltonian of the three-dimensional harmonic oscillator, there is an additional term. See Creation and annihilation operators, symmetry and supersymmetry of the 3D isotropic harmonic oscillator, equation 16.






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                Indeed, the supersymmetric operators do not factorize the Hamiltonian of the three-dimensional harmonic oscillator, there is an additional term. See Creation and annihilation operators, symmetry and supersymmetry of the 3D isotropic harmonic oscillator, equation 16.






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                  Indeed, the supersymmetric operators do not factorize the Hamiltonian of the three-dimensional harmonic oscillator, there is an additional term. See Creation and annihilation operators, symmetry and supersymmetry of the 3D isotropic harmonic oscillator, equation 16.






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                  Indeed, the supersymmetric operators do not factorize the Hamiltonian of the three-dimensional harmonic oscillator, there is an additional term. See Creation and annihilation operators, symmetry and supersymmetry of the 3D isotropic harmonic oscillator, equation 16.







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                      Supplementing @CarloBeenakker's answer: a different sort of "factorization" of the Laplacian can be done in terms of the Dirac operator, which in some regards better preserves the nature of the situation, but/and has scalar coefficients in an appropriate Clifford algebra, which in general is not commutative. E.g., on $mathbb R$, it is $mathbb C$, which is convenient. But already in two dimensions the relevant Clifford algebra is the Hamiltonian quaternions...



                      Depending what you want to do, this might be a useful direction to consider, in addition to the "scalarization" of immediate reduction to the spherically symmetric case.






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                        Supplementing @CarloBeenakker's answer: a different sort of "factorization" of the Laplacian can be done in terms of the Dirac operator, which in some regards better preserves the nature of the situation, but/and has scalar coefficients in an appropriate Clifford algebra, which in general is not commutative. E.g., on $mathbb R$, it is $mathbb C$, which is convenient. But already in two dimensions the relevant Clifford algebra is the Hamiltonian quaternions...



                        Depending what you want to do, this might be a useful direction to consider, in addition to the "scalarization" of immediate reduction to the spherically symmetric case.






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                          Supplementing @CarloBeenakker's answer: a different sort of "factorization" of the Laplacian can be done in terms of the Dirac operator, which in some regards better preserves the nature of the situation, but/and has scalar coefficients in an appropriate Clifford algebra, which in general is not commutative. E.g., on $mathbb R$, it is $mathbb C$, which is convenient. But already in two dimensions the relevant Clifford algebra is the Hamiltonian quaternions...



                          Depending what you want to do, this might be a useful direction to consider, in addition to the "scalarization" of immediate reduction to the spherically symmetric case.






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                          Supplementing @CarloBeenakker's answer: a different sort of "factorization" of the Laplacian can be done in terms of the Dirac operator, which in some regards better preserves the nature of the situation, but/and has scalar coefficients in an appropriate Clifford algebra, which in general is not commutative. E.g., on $mathbb R$, it is $mathbb C$, which is convenient. But already in two dimensions the relevant Clifford algebra is the Hamiltonian quaternions...



                          Depending what you want to do, this might be a useful direction to consider, in addition to the "scalarization" of immediate reduction to the spherically symmetric case.







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