Why would you use Expression<Func> rather than Func?
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I understand lambdas and the Func
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rather than a plain old Func<T>
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c# delegates lambda expression-trees
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Func<> will be converted to a method on the c# compiler level ,Expression<Func<>> will be executed on the MSIL level after compiling the code directly, that is the reason it is faster
– Waleed A.K.
Aug 28 '16 at 18:05
in addition to the answers, the csharp language specification "4.6 expression tree types" is helpful to cross reference
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I understand lambdas and the Func
and Action
delegates. But expressions stump me. In what circumstances would you use an Expression<Func<T>>
rather than a plain old Func<T>
?
c# delegates lambda expression-trees
I understand lambdas and the Func
and Action
delegates. But expressions stump me. In what circumstances would you use an Expression<Func<T>>
rather than a plain old Func<T>
?
c# delegates lambda expression-trees
c# delegates lambda expression-trees
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Func<> will be converted to a method on the c# compiler level ,Expression<Func<>> will be executed on the MSIL level after compiling the code directly, that is the reason it is faster
– Waleed A.K.
Aug 28 '16 at 18:05
in addition to the answers, the csharp language specification "4.6 expression tree types" is helpful to cross reference
– djeikyb
Dec 4 '17 at 23:51
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Func<> will be converted to a method on the c# compiler level ,Expression<Func<>> will be executed on the MSIL level after compiling the code directly, that is the reason it is faster
– Waleed A.K.
Aug 28 '16 at 18:05
in addition to the answers, the csharp language specification "4.6 expression tree types" is helpful to cross reference
– djeikyb
Dec 4 '17 at 23:51
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Func<> will be converted to a method on the c# compiler level ,Expression<Func<>> will be executed on the MSIL level after compiling the code directly, that is the reason it is faster
– Waleed A.K.
Aug 28 '16 at 18:05
Func<> will be converted to a method on the c# compiler level ,Expression<Func<>> will be executed on the MSIL level after compiling the code directly, that is the reason it is faster
– Waleed A.K.
Aug 28 '16 at 18:05
in addition to the answers, the csharp language specification "4.6 expression tree types" is helpful to cross reference
– djeikyb
Dec 4 '17 at 23:51
in addition to the answers, the csharp language specification "4.6 expression tree types" is helpful to cross reference
– djeikyb
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When you want to treat lambda expressions as expression trees and look inside them instead of executing them. For example, LINQ to SQL gets the expression and converts it to the equivalent SQL statement and submits it to server (rather than executing the lambda).
Conceptually, Expression<Func<T>>
is completely different from Func<T>
. Func<T>
denotes a delegate
which is pretty much a pointer to a method and Expression<Func<T>>
denotes a tree data structure for a lambda expression. This tree structure describes what a lambda expression does rather than doing the actual thing. It basically holds data about the composition of expressions, variables, method calls, ... (for example it holds information such as this lambda is some constant + some parameter). You can use this description to convert it to an actual method (with Expression.Compile
) or do other stuff (like the LINQ to SQL example) with it. The act of treating lambdas as anonymous methods and expression trees is purely a compile time thing.
Func<int> myFunc = () => 10; // similar to: int myAnonMethod() { return 10; }
will effectively compile to an IL method that gets nothing and returns 10.
Expression<Func<int>> myExpression = () => 10;
will be converted to a data structure that describes an expression that gets no parameters and returns the value 10:
larger image
While they both look the same at compile time, what the compiler generates is totally different.
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So, in other words, anExpression
contains the meta-information about a certain delegate.
– bertl
Feb 25 '15 at 13:37
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@bertl Actually, no. The delegate is not involved at all. The reason there's any association at all with a delegate is that you can compile the expression to a delegate - or to be more precise, compile it to a method and get the delegate to that method as a return value. But the expression tree itself is just data. The delegate does not exist when you useExpression<Func<...>>
instead of justFunc<...>
.
– Luaan
Jun 16 '15 at 20:15
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You're absolutely right @Luaan. I did not mean to create any artificial relationship betweenExpressions
and delegates. My point was related to the original question, i.e. "What does anExpression<Func<T>>
have and aFunc<T>
not?" I just wanted to summarize the accepted answer in a very brief manner; it may sound a little oversimplified, though.
– bertl
Jun 17 '15 at 6:26
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@Kyle Delaney(isAnExample) => { if(isAnExample) ok(); else expandAnswer(); }
such expression is an ExpressionTree, branches are created for the If-statement.
– Matteo Marciano - MSCP
Jan 20 '17 at 14:47
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@bertl Delegate is what CPU sees (executable code of one architecture), Expression is what compiler sees (merely another format of source code, but still source code).
– codewarrior
May 5 '17 at 9:22
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I'm adding an answer-for-noobs because these answers seemed over my head, until I realized how simple it is. Sometimes it's your expectation that it's complicated that makes you unable to 'wrap your head around it'.
I didn't need to understand the difference until I walked into a really annoying 'bug' trying to use LINQ-to-SQL generically:
public IEnumerable<T> Get(Func<T, bool> conditionLambda){
using(var db = new DbContext()){
return db.Set<T>.Where(conditionLambda);
}
}
This worked great until I started getting OutofMemoryExceptions on larger datasets. Setting breakpoints inside the lambda made me realize that it was iterating through each row in my table one-by-one looking for matches to my lambda condition. This stumped me for a while, because why the heck is it treating my data table as a giant IEnumerable instead of doing LINQ-to-SQL like it's supposed to? It was also doing the exact same thing in my LINQ-to-MongoDb counterpart.
The fix was simply to turn Func<T, bool>
into Expression<Func<T, bool>>
, so I googled why it needs an Expression
instead of Func
, ending up here.
An expression simply turns a delegate into a data about itself. So a => a + 1
becomes something like "On the left side there's an int a
. On the right side you add 1 to it." That's it. You can go home now. It's obviously more structured than that, but that's essentially all an expression tree really is--nothing to wrap your head around.
Understanding that, it becomes clear why LINQ-to-SQL needs an Expression
, and a Func
isn't adequate. Func
doesn't carry with it a way to get into itself, to see the nitty-gritty of how to translate it into a SQL/MongoDb/other query. You can't see whether it's doing addition or multiplication on subtraction. All you can do is run it. Expression
, on the other hand, allows you to look inside the delegate and see everything it's wanting to do, empowering you to translate it into whatever you want, like a SQL query. Func
didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table.
Edit: expounding on my last sentence at John Peter's request:
IQueryable extends IEnumerable, so IEnumerable's methods like Where()
obtain overloads that accept Expression
. When you pass an Expression
to that, you keep an IQueryable as a result, but when you pass a Func
, you're falling back on the base IEnumerable and you'll get an IEnumerable as a result. In other words, without noticing you've turned your dataset into a list to be iterated as opposed to something to query. It's hard to notice a difference until you really look under the hood at the signatures.
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Chad; Please explain this comment a bit more: "Func didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table."
– John Peters
Oct 3 '16 at 23:03
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This is far most best answer I read in this SO thread. Thank you sir!
– Teoman shipahi
Nov 7 '16 at 17:26
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For all the noobs out there thanks a lot
– Etienne
Nov 22 '16 at 3:50
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Thanks for explaining different behavior when passing Expression vs Func. It's extremely important to know!!
– Reverove Likia
Nov 29 '16 at 15:27
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Great answer, thank you! This should get a lot more upvotes!
– j00hi
Jan 9 '17 at 9:20
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An extremely important consideration in the choice of Expression vs Func is that IQueryable providers like LINQ to Entities can 'digest' what you pass in an Expression, but will ignore what you pass in a Func. I have two blog posts on the subject:
More on Expression vs Func with Entity Framework and
Falling in Love with LINQ - Part 7: Expressions and Funcs (the last section)
+l for explanation. However I get 'The LINQ expression node type 'Invoke' is not supported in LINQ to Entities.' and had to use ForEach after fetching the results.
– tymtam
Apr 29 '13 at 4:52
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I'd like to add some notes about the differences between Func<T>
and Expression<Func<T>>
:
Func<T>
is just a normal old-school MulticastDelegate;
Expression<Func<T>>
is a representation of lambda expression in form of expression tree;- expression tree can be constructed through lambda expression syntax or through the API syntax;
- expression tree can be compiled to a delegate
Func<T>
; - the inverse conversion is theoretically possible, but it's a kind of decompiling, there is no builtin functionality for that as it's not a straightforward process;
- expression tree can be observed/translated/modified through the
ExpressionVisitor
; - the extension methods for IEnumerable operate with
Func<T>
; - the extension methods for IQueryable operate with
Expression<Func<T>>
.
There's an article which describes the details with code samples:
LINQ: Func<T> vs. Expression<Func<T>>.
Hope it will be helpful.
Nice list, one small note is you mention that the inverse conversion is possible, however an exact inverse is not. Some metadata is lost during the conversion process. However you could decompile it to an Expression tree that produces the same result when compiled again.
– Aidiakapi
Mar 13 '15 at 19:43
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There is a more philosophical explanation about it from Krzysztof Cwalina's book(Framework Design Guidelines: Conventions, Idioms, and Patterns for Reusable .NET Libraries);
Edit for non-image version:
Most times you're going to want Func or Action if all that needs to happen is to run some code. You need Expression when the code needs to be analyzed, serialized, or optimized before it is run. Expression is for thinking about code, Func/Action is for running it.
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Well put. ie. You need expression when you are expecting your Func to be converted into some sort of query. Ie. you needdatabase.data.Where(i => i.Id > 0)
to be executed asSELECT FROM [data] WHERE [id] > 0
. If you just pass in a Func, you've put blinders on your driver and all it can do isSELECT *
and then once it's loaded all of that data into memory, iterate through each and filter out everything with id > 0. Wrapping yourFunc
inExpression
empowers the driver to analyze theFunc
and turn it into a Sql/MongoDb/other query.
– Chad Hedgcock
Mar 26 '16 at 3:59
the link doesn't seem to work
– Kcats Wolfrevo
Sep 21 '17 at 10:10
@KcatsWolfrevo edited for non image version.
– Oğuzhan Soykan
Oct 11 '17 at 18:02
So when i am planning for a Vacation, I would useExpression
but when I am ON vacation it will beFunc/Action
;)
– GoldBishop
Nov 7 '17 at 19:42
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LINQ is the canonical example (for example, talking to a database), but in truth, any time you care more about expressing what to do, rather than actually doing it. For example, I use this approach in the RPC stack of protobuf-net (to avoid code-generation etc) - so you call a method with:
string result = client.Invoke(svc => svc.SomeMethod(arg1, arg2, ...));
This deconstructs the expression tree to resolve SomeMethod
(and the value of each argument), performs the RPC call, updates any ref
/out
args, and returns the result from the remote call. This is only possible via the expression tree. I cover this more here.
Another example is when you are building the expression trees manually for the purpose of compiling to a lambda, as done by the generic operators code.
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You would use an expression when you want to treat your function as data and not as code. You can do this if you want to manipulate the code (as data). Most of the time if you don't see a need for expressions then you probably don't need to use one.
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The primary reason is when you don't want to run the code directly, but rather, want to inspect it. This can be for any number of reasons:
- Mapping the code to a different environment (ie. C# code to SQL in Entity Framework)
- Replacing parts of the code in runtime (dynamic programming or even plain DRY techniques)
- Code validation (very useful when emulating scripting or when doing analysis)
- Serialization - expressions can be serialized rather easily and safely, delegates can't
- Strongly-typed safety on things that aren't inherently strongly-typed, and exploiting compiler checks even though you're doing dynamic calls in runtime (ASP.NET MVC 5 with Razor is a nice example)
can you elaborate a bit more on no.5
– uowzd01
Oct 25 '15 at 23:09
@uowzd01 Just look at Razor - it uses this approach extensively.
– Luaan
Oct 26 '15 at 8:04
@Luaan I am looking for expression serializations but not able to find anything without a limited third party usage. Does .Net 4.5 support expression tree serialization?
– vabii
Dec 12 '17 at 19:27
@vabii Not that I know of - and it wouldn't really be a good idea for the general case. My point was more about you being able to write pretty simple serialization for the specific cases you want to support, against interfaces designed ahead of time - I've done just that a few times. In the general case, anExpression
can be just as impossible to serialize as a delegate, since any expression can contain an invocation of an arbitrary delegate/method reference. "Easy" is relative, of course.
– Luaan
Dec 13 '17 at 14:30
@Luaan Thanks for clarifying.
– vabii
Dec 13 '17 at 16:07
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I don't see any answers yet that mention performance. Passing Func<>
s into Where()
or Count()
is bad. Real bad. If you use a Func<>
then it calls the IEnumerable
LINQ stuff instead of IQueryable
, which means that whole tables get pulled in and then filtered. Expression<Func<>>
is significantly faster, especially if you are querying a database that lives another server.
Does this apply to in-memory query as well?
– stt106
Jan 4 at 15:18
@stt106 Probably not.
– mhenry1384
Jan 6 at 2:54
This is only true if you enumerate the list. If you use GetEnumerator or foreach you will not load the ienumerable fully into memory.
– nelsontruran
Apr 23 at 20:17
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@stt106 When passed to the .Where() clause of a List<>, Expression<Func<>> gets .Compile() called on it, so Func<> is almost certainly faster. See referencesource.microsoft.com/#System.Core/System/Linq/…
– NStuke
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When you want to treat lambda expressions as expression trees and look inside them instead of executing them. For example, LINQ to SQL gets the expression and converts it to the equivalent SQL statement and submits it to server (rather than executing the lambda).
Conceptually, Expression<Func<T>>
is completely different from Func<T>
. Func<T>
denotes a delegate
which is pretty much a pointer to a method and Expression<Func<T>>
denotes a tree data structure for a lambda expression. This tree structure describes what a lambda expression does rather than doing the actual thing. It basically holds data about the composition of expressions, variables, method calls, ... (for example it holds information such as this lambda is some constant + some parameter). You can use this description to convert it to an actual method (with Expression.Compile
) or do other stuff (like the LINQ to SQL example) with it. The act of treating lambdas as anonymous methods and expression trees is purely a compile time thing.
Func<int> myFunc = () => 10; // similar to: int myAnonMethod() { return 10; }
will effectively compile to an IL method that gets nothing and returns 10.
Expression<Func<int>> myExpression = () => 10;
will be converted to a data structure that describes an expression that gets no parameters and returns the value 10:
larger image
While they both look the same at compile time, what the compiler generates is totally different.
75
So, in other words, anExpression
contains the meta-information about a certain delegate.
– bertl
Feb 25 '15 at 13:37
33
@bertl Actually, no. The delegate is not involved at all. The reason there's any association at all with a delegate is that you can compile the expression to a delegate - or to be more precise, compile it to a method and get the delegate to that method as a return value. But the expression tree itself is just data. The delegate does not exist when you useExpression<Func<...>>
instead of justFunc<...>
.
– Luaan
Jun 16 '15 at 20:15
2
You're absolutely right @Luaan. I did not mean to create any artificial relationship betweenExpressions
and delegates. My point was related to the original question, i.e. "What does anExpression<Func<T>>
have and aFunc<T>
not?" I just wanted to summarize the accepted answer in a very brief manner; it may sound a little oversimplified, though.
– bertl
Jun 17 '15 at 6:26
5
@Kyle Delaney(isAnExample) => { if(isAnExample) ok(); else expandAnswer(); }
such expression is an ExpressionTree, branches are created for the If-statement.
– Matteo Marciano - MSCP
Jan 20 '17 at 14:47
2
@bertl Delegate is what CPU sees (executable code of one architecture), Expression is what compiler sees (merely another format of source code, but still source code).
– codewarrior
May 5 '17 at 9:22
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up vote
993
down vote
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When you want to treat lambda expressions as expression trees and look inside them instead of executing them. For example, LINQ to SQL gets the expression and converts it to the equivalent SQL statement and submits it to server (rather than executing the lambda).
Conceptually, Expression<Func<T>>
is completely different from Func<T>
. Func<T>
denotes a delegate
which is pretty much a pointer to a method and Expression<Func<T>>
denotes a tree data structure for a lambda expression. This tree structure describes what a lambda expression does rather than doing the actual thing. It basically holds data about the composition of expressions, variables, method calls, ... (for example it holds information such as this lambda is some constant + some parameter). You can use this description to convert it to an actual method (with Expression.Compile
) or do other stuff (like the LINQ to SQL example) with it. The act of treating lambdas as anonymous methods and expression trees is purely a compile time thing.
Func<int> myFunc = () => 10; // similar to: int myAnonMethod() { return 10; }
will effectively compile to an IL method that gets nothing and returns 10.
Expression<Func<int>> myExpression = () => 10;
will be converted to a data structure that describes an expression that gets no parameters and returns the value 10:
larger image
While they both look the same at compile time, what the compiler generates is totally different.
75
So, in other words, anExpression
contains the meta-information about a certain delegate.
– bertl
Feb 25 '15 at 13:37
33
@bertl Actually, no. The delegate is not involved at all. The reason there's any association at all with a delegate is that you can compile the expression to a delegate - or to be more precise, compile it to a method and get the delegate to that method as a return value. But the expression tree itself is just data. The delegate does not exist when you useExpression<Func<...>>
instead of justFunc<...>
.
– Luaan
Jun 16 '15 at 20:15
2
You're absolutely right @Luaan. I did not mean to create any artificial relationship betweenExpressions
and delegates. My point was related to the original question, i.e. "What does anExpression<Func<T>>
have and aFunc<T>
not?" I just wanted to summarize the accepted answer in a very brief manner; it may sound a little oversimplified, though.
– bertl
Jun 17 '15 at 6:26
5
@Kyle Delaney(isAnExample) => { if(isAnExample) ok(); else expandAnswer(); }
such expression is an ExpressionTree, branches are created for the If-statement.
– Matteo Marciano - MSCP
Jan 20 '17 at 14:47
2
@bertl Delegate is what CPU sees (executable code of one architecture), Expression is what compiler sees (merely another format of source code, but still source code).
– codewarrior
May 5 '17 at 9:22
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up vote
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When you want to treat lambda expressions as expression trees and look inside them instead of executing them. For example, LINQ to SQL gets the expression and converts it to the equivalent SQL statement and submits it to server (rather than executing the lambda).
Conceptually, Expression<Func<T>>
is completely different from Func<T>
. Func<T>
denotes a delegate
which is pretty much a pointer to a method and Expression<Func<T>>
denotes a tree data structure for a lambda expression. This tree structure describes what a lambda expression does rather than doing the actual thing. It basically holds data about the composition of expressions, variables, method calls, ... (for example it holds information such as this lambda is some constant + some parameter). You can use this description to convert it to an actual method (with Expression.Compile
) or do other stuff (like the LINQ to SQL example) with it. The act of treating lambdas as anonymous methods and expression trees is purely a compile time thing.
Func<int> myFunc = () => 10; // similar to: int myAnonMethod() { return 10; }
will effectively compile to an IL method that gets nothing and returns 10.
Expression<Func<int>> myExpression = () => 10;
will be converted to a data structure that describes an expression that gets no parameters and returns the value 10:
larger image
While they both look the same at compile time, what the compiler generates is totally different.
When you want to treat lambda expressions as expression trees and look inside them instead of executing them. For example, LINQ to SQL gets the expression and converts it to the equivalent SQL statement and submits it to server (rather than executing the lambda).
Conceptually, Expression<Func<T>>
is completely different from Func<T>
. Func<T>
denotes a delegate
which is pretty much a pointer to a method and Expression<Func<T>>
denotes a tree data structure for a lambda expression. This tree structure describes what a lambda expression does rather than doing the actual thing. It basically holds data about the composition of expressions, variables, method calls, ... (for example it holds information such as this lambda is some constant + some parameter). You can use this description to convert it to an actual method (with Expression.Compile
) or do other stuff (like the LINQ to SQL example) with it. The act of treating lambdas as anonymous methods and expression trees is purely a compile time thing.
Func<int> myFunc = () => 10; // similar to: int myAnonMethod() { return 10; }
will effectively compile to an IL method that gets nothing and returns 10.
Expression<Func<int>> myExpression = () => 10;
will be converted to a data structure that describes an expression that gets no parameters and returns the value 10:
larger image
While they both look the same at compile time, what the compiler generates is totally different.
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answered Apr 27 '09 at 13:52
Mehrdad Afshari
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So, in other words, anExpression
contains the meta-information about a certain delegate.
– bertl
Feb 25 '15 at 13:37
33
@bertl Actually, no. The delegate is not involved at all. The reason there's any association at all with a delegate is that you can compile the expression to a delegate - or to be more precise, compile it to a method and get the delegate to that method as a return value. But the expression tree itself is just data. The delegate does not exist when you useExpression<Func<...>>
instead of justFunc<...>
.
– Luaan
Jun 16 '15 at 20:15
2
You're absolutely right @Luaan. I did not mean to create any artificial relationship betweenExpressions
and delegates. My point was related to the original question, i.e. "What does anExpression<Func<T>>
have and aFunc<T>
not?" I just wanted to summarize the accepted answer in a very brief manner; it may sound a little oversimplified, though.
– bertl
Jun 17 '15 at 6:26
5
@Kyle Delaney(isAnExample) => { if(isAnExample) ok(); else expandAnswer(); }
such expression is an ExpressionTree, branches are created for the If-statement.
– Matteo Marciano - MSCP
Jan 20 '17 at 14:47
2
@bertl Delegate is what CPU sees (executable code of one architecture), Expression is what compiler sees (merely another format of source code, but still source code).
– codewarrior
May 5 '17 at 9:22
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75
So, in other words, anExpression
contains the meta-information about a certain delegate.
– bertl
Feb 25 '15 at 13:37
33
@bertl Actually, no. The delegate is not involved at all. The reason there's any association at all with a delegate is that you can compile the expression to a delegate - or to be more precise, compile it to a method and get the delegate to that method as a return value. But the expression tree itself is just data. The delegate does not exist when you useExpression<Func<...>>
instead of justFunc<...>
.
– Luaan
Jun 16 '15 at 20:15
2
You're absolutely right @Luaan. I did not mean to create any artificial relationship betweenExpressions
and delegates. My point was related to the original question, i.e. "What does anExpression<Func<T>>
have and aFunc<T>
not?" I just wanted to summarize the accepted answer in a very brief manner; it may sound a little oversimplified, though.
– bertl
Jun 17 '15 at 6:26
5
@Kyle Delaney(isAnExample) => { if(isAnExample) ok(); else expandAnswer(); }
such expression is an ExpressionTree, branches are created for the If-statement.
– Matteo Marciano - MSCP
Jan 20 '17 at 14:47
2
@bertl Delegate is what CPU sees (executable code of one architecture), Expression is what compiler sees (merely another format of source code, but still source code).
– codewarrior
May 5 '17 at 9:22
75
75
So, in other words, an
Expression
contains the meta-information about a certain delegate.– bertl
Feb 25 '15 at 13:37
So, in other words, an
Expression
contains the meta-information about a certain delegate.– bertl
Feb 25 '15 at 13:37
33
33
@bertl Actually, no. The delegate is not involved at all. The reason there's any association at all with a delegate is that you can compile the expression to a delegate - or to be more precise, compile it to a method and get the delegate to that method as a return value. But the expression tree itself is just data. The delegate does not exist when you use
Expression<Func<...>>
instead of just Func<...>
.– Luaan
Jun 16 '15 at 20:15
@bertl Actually, no. The delegate is not involved at all. The reason there's any association at all with a delegate is that you can compile the expression to a delegate - or to be more precise, compile it to a method and get the delegate to that method as a return value. But the expression tree itself is just data. The delegate does not exist when you use
Expression<Func<...>>
instead of just Func<...>
.– Luaan
Jun 16 '15 at 20:15
2
2
You're absolutely right @Luaan. I did not mean to create any artificial relationship between
Expressions
and delegates. My point was related to the original question, i.e. "What does an Expression<Func<T>>
have and a Func<T>
not?" I just wanted to summarize the accepted answer in a very brief manner; it may sound a little oversimplified, though.– bertl
Jun 17 '15 at 6:26
You're absolutely right @Luaan. I did not mean to create any artificial relationship between
Expressions
and delegates. My point was related to the original question, i.e. "What does an Expression<Func<T>>
have and a Func<T>
not?" I just wanted to summarize the accepted answer in a very brief manner; it may sound a little oversimplified, though.– bertl
Jun 17 '15 at 6:26
5
5
@Kyle Delaney
(isAnExample) => { if(isAnExample) ok(); else expandAnswer(); }
such expression is an ExpressionTree, branches are created for the If-statement.– Matteo Marciano - MSCP
Jan 20 '17 at 14:47
@Kyle Delaney
(isAnExample) => { if(isAnExample) ok(); else expandAnswer(); }
such expression is an ExpressionTree, branches are created for the If-statement.– Matteo Marciano - MSCP
Jan 20 '17 at 14:47
2
2
@bertl Delegate is what CPU sees (executable code of one architecture), Expression is what compiler sees (merely another format of source code, but still source code).
– codewarrior
May 5 '17 at 9:22
@bertl Delegate is what CPU sees (executable code of one architecture), Expression is what compiler sees (merely another format of source code, but still source code).
– codewarrior
May 5 '17 at 9:22
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I'm adding an answer-for-noobs because these answers seemed over my head, until I realized how simple it is. Sometimes it's your expectation that it's complicated that makes you unable to 'wrap your head around it'.
I didn't need to understand the difference until I walked into a really annoying 'bug' trying to use LINQ-to-SQL generically:
public IEnumerable<T> Get(Func<T, bool> conditionLambda){
using(var db = new DbContext()){
return db.Set<T>.Where(conditionLambda);
}
}
This worked great until I started getting OutofMemoryExceptions on larger datasets. Setting breakpoints inside the lambda made me realize that it was iterating through each row in my table one-by-one looking for matches to my lambda condition. This stumped me for a while, because why the heck is it treating my data table as a giant IEnumerable instead of doing LINQ-to-SQL like it's supposed to? It was also doing the exact same thing in my LINQ-to-MongoDb counterpart.
The fix was simply to turn Func<T, bool>
into Expression<Func<T, bool>>
, so I googled why it needs an Expression
instead of Func
, ending up here.
An expression simply turns a delegate into a data about itself. So a => a + 1
becomes something like "On the left side there's an int a
. On the right side you add 1 to it." That's it. You can go home now. It's obviously more structured than that, but that's essentially all an expression tree really is--nothing to wrap your head around.
Understanding that, it becomes clear why LINQ-to-SQL needs an Expression
, and a Func
isn't adequate. Func
doesn't carry with it a way to get into itself, to see the nitty-gritty of how to translate it into a SQL/MongoDb/other query. You can't see whether it's doing addition or multiplication on subtraction. All you can do is run it. Expression
, on the other hand, allows you to look inside the delegate and see everything it's wanting to do, empowering you to translate it into whatever you want, like a SQL query. Func
didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table.
Edit: expounding on my last sentence at John Peter's request:
IQueryable extends IEnumerable, so IEnumerable's methods like Where()
obtain overloads that accept Expression
. When you pass an Expression
to that, you keep an IQueryable as a result, but when you pass a Func
, you're falling back on the base IEnumerable and you'll get an IEnumerable as a result. In other words, without noticing you've turned your dataset into a list to be iterated as opposed to something to query. It's hard to notice a difference until you really look under the hood at the signatures.
1
Chad; Please explain this comment a bit more: "Func didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table."
– John Peters
Oct 3 '16 at 23:03
5
This is far most best answer I read in this SO thread. Thank you sir!
– Teoman shipahi
Nov 7 '16 at 17:26
1
For all the noobs out there thanks a lot
– Etienne
Nov 22 '16 at 3:50
1
Thanks for explaining different behavior when passing Expression vs Func. It's extremely important to know!!
– Reverove Likia
Nov 29 '16 at 15:27
3
Great answer, thank you! This should get a lot more upvotes!
– j00hi
Jan 9 '17 at 9:20
|
show 3 more comments
up vote
235
down vote
I'm adding an answer-for-noobs because these answers seemed over my head, until I realized how simple it is. Sometimes it's your expectation that it's complicated that makes you unable to 'wrap your head around it'.
I didn't need to understand the difference until I walked into a really annoying 'bug' trying to use LINQ-to-SQL generically:
public IEnumerable<T> Get(Func<T, bool> conditionLambda){
using(var db = new DbContext()){
return db.Set<T>.Where(conditionLambda);
}
}
This worked great until I started getting OutofMemoryExceptions on larger datasets. Setting breakpoints inside the lambda made me realize that it was iterating through each row in my table one-by-one looking for matches to my lambda condition. This stumped me for a while, because why the heck is it treating my data table as a giant IEnumerable instead of doing LINQ-to-SQL like it's supposed to? It was also doing the exact same thing in my LINQ-to-MongoDb counterpart.
The fix was simply to turn Func<T, bool>
into Expression<Func<T, bool>>
, so I googled why it needs an Expression
instead of Func
, ending up here.
An expression simply turns a delegate into a data about itself. So a => a + 1
becomes something like "On the left side there's an int a
. On the right side you add 1 to it." That's it. You can go home now. It's obviously more structured than that, but that's essentially all an expression tree really is--nothing to wrap your head around.
Understanding that, it becomes clear why LINQ-to-SQL needs an Expression
, and a Func
isn't adequate. Func
doesn't carry with it a way to get into itself, to see the nitty-gritty of how to translate it into a SQL/MongoDb/other query. You can't see whether it's doing addition or multiplication on subtraction. All you can do is run it. Expression
, on the other hand, allows you to look inside the delegate and see everything it's wanting to do, empowering you to translate it into whatever you want, like a SQL query. Func
didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table.
Edit: expounding on my last sentence at John Peter's request:
IQueryable extends IEnumerable, so IEnumerable's methods like Where()
obtain overloads that accept Expression
. When you pass an Expression
to that, you keep an IQueryable as a result, but when you pass a Func
, you're falling back on the base IEnumerable and you'll get an IEnumerable as a result. In other words, without noticing you've turned your dataset into a list to be iterated as opposed to something to query. It's hard to notice a difference until you really look under the hood at the signatures.
1
Chad; Please explain this comment a bit more: "Func didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table."
– John Peters
Oct 3 '16 at 23:03
5
This is far most best answer I read in this SO thread. Thank you sir!
– Teoman shipahi
Nov 7 '16 at 17:26
1
For all the noobs out there thanks a lot
– Etienne
Nov 22 '16 at 3:50
1
Thanks for explaining different behavior when passing Expression vs Func. It's extremely important to know!!
– Reverove Likia
Nov 29 '16 at 15:27
3
Great answer, thank you! This should get a lot more upvotes!
– j00hi
Jan 9 '17 at 9:20
|
show 3 more comments
up vote
235
down vote
up vote
235
down vote
I'm adding an answer-for-noobs because these answers seemed over my head, until I realized how simple it is. Sometimes it's your expectation that it's complicated that makes you unable to 'wrap your head around it'.
I didn't need to understand the difference until I walked into a really annoying 'bug' trying to use LINQ-to-SQL generically:
public IEnumerable<T> Get(Func<T, bool> conditionLambda){
using(var db = new DbContext()){
return db.Set<T>.Where(conditionLambda);
}
}
This worked great until I started getting OutofMemoryExceptions on larger datasets. Setting breakpoints inside the lambda made me realize that it was iterating through each row in my table one-by-one looking for matches to my lambda condition. This stumped me for a while, because why the heck is it treating my data table as a giant IEnumerable instead of doing LINQ-to-SQL like it's supposed to? It was also doing the exact same thing in my LINQ-to-MongoDb counterpart.
The fix was simply to turn Func<T, bool>
into Expression<Func<T, bool>>
, so I googled why it needs an Expression
instead of Func
, ending up here.
An expression simply turns a delegate into a data about itself. So a => a + 1
becomes something like "On the left side there's an int a
. On the right side you add 1 to it." That's it. You can go home now. It's obviously more structured than that, but that's essentially all an expression tree really is--nothing to wrap your head around.
Understanding that, it becomes clear why LINQ-to-SQL needs an Expression
, and a Func
isn't adequate. Func
doesn't carry with it a way to get into itself, to see the nitty-gritty of how to translate it into a SQL/MongoDb/other query. You can't see whether it's doing addition or multiplication on subtraction. All you can do is run it. Expression
, on the other hand, allows you to look inside the delegate and see everything it's wanting to do, empowering you to translate it into whatever you want, like a SQL query. Func
didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table.
Edit: expounding on my last sentence at John Peter's request:
IQueryable extends IEnumerable, so IEnumerable's methods like Where()
obtain overloads that accept Expression
. When you pass an Expression
to that, you keep an IQueryable as a result, but when you pass a Func
, you're falling back on the base IEnumerable and you'll get an IEnumerable as a result. In other words, without noticing you've turned your dataset into a list to be iterated as opposed to something to query. It's hard to notice a difference until you really look under the hood at the signatures.
I'm adding an answer-for-noobs because these answers seemed over my head, until I realized how simple it is. Sometimes it's your expectation that it's complicated that makes you unable to 'wrap your head around it'.
I didn't need to understand the difference until I walked into a really annoying 'bug' trying to use LINQ-to-SQL generically:
public IEnumerable<T> Get(Func<T, bool> conditionLambda){
using(var db = new DbContext()){
return db.Set<T>.Where(conditionLambda);
}
}
This worked great until I started getting OutofMemoryExceptions on larger datasets. Setting breakpoints inside the lambda made me realize that it was iterating through each row in my table one-by-one looking for matches to my lambda condition. This stumped me for a while, because why the heck is it treating my data table as a giant IEnumerable instead of doing LINQ-to-SQL like it's supposed to? It was also doing the exact same thing in my LINQ-to-MongoDb counterpart.
The fix was simply to turn Func<T, bool>
into Expression<Func<T, bool>>
, so I googled why it needs an Expression
instead of Func
, ending up here.
An expression simply turns a delegate into a data about itself. So a => a + 1
becomes something like "On the left side there's an int a
. On the right side you add 1 to it." That's it. You can go home now. It's obviously more structured than that, but that's essentially all an expression tree really is--nothing to wrap your head around.
Understanding that, it becomes clear why LINQ-to-SQL needs an Expression
, and a Func
isn't adequate. Func
doesn't carry with it a way to get into itself, to see the nitty-gritty of how to translate it into a SQL/MongoDb/other query. You can't see whether it's doing addition or multiplication on subtraction. All you can do is run it. Expression
, on the other hand, allows you to look inside the delegate and see everything it's wanting to do, empowering you to translate it into whatever you want, like a SQL query. Func
didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table.
Edit: expounding on my last sentence at John Peter's request:
IQueryable extends IEnumerable, so IEnumerable's methods like Where()
obtain overloads that accept Expression
. When you pass an Expression
to that, you keep an IQueryable as a result, but when you pass a Func
, you're falling back on the base IEnumerable and you'll get an IEnumerable as a result. In other words, without noticing you've turned your dataset into a list to be iterated as opposed to something to query. It's hard to notice a difference until you really look under the hood at the signatures.
edited Oct 7 '16 at 16:34
answered Jan 5 '16 at 8:04
Chad Hedgcock
6,85932034
6,85932034
1
Chad; Please explain this comment a bit more: "Func didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table."
– John Peters
Oct 3 '16 at 23:03
5
This is far most best answer I read in this SO thread. Thank you sir!
– Teoman shipahi
Nov 7 '16 at 17:26
1
For all the noobs out there thanks a lot
– Etienne
Nov 22 '16 at 3:50
1
Thanks for explaining different behavior when passing Expression vs Func. It's extremely important to know!!
– Reverove Likia
Nov 29 '16 at 15:27
3
Great answer, thank you! This should get a lot more upvotes!
– j00hi
Jan 9 '17 at 9:20
|
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1
Chad; Please explain this comment a bit more: "Func didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table."
– John Peters
Oct 3 '16 at 23:03
5
This is far most best answer I read in this SO thread. Thank you sir!
– Teoman shipahi
Nov 7 '16 at 17:26
1
For all the noobs out there thanks a lot
– Etienne
Nov 22 '16 at 3:50
1
Thanks for explaining different behavior when passing Expression vs Func. It's extremely important to know!!
– Reverove Likia
Nov 29 '16 at 15:27
3
Great answer, thank you! This should get a lot more upvotes!
– j00hi
Jan 9 '17 at 9:20
1
1
Chad; Please explain this comment a bit more: "Func didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table."
– John Peters
Oct 3 '16 at 23:03
Chad; Please explain this comment a bit more: "Func didn't work because my DbContext was blind to what was actually in the lambda expression to turn it into SQL, so it did the next best thing and iterated that conditional through each row in my table."
– John Peters
Oct 3 '16 at 23:03
5
5
This is far most best answer I read in this SO thread. Thank you sir!
– Teoman shipahi
Nov 7 '16 at 17:26
This is far most best answer I read in this SO thread. Thank you sir!
– Teoman shipahi
Nov 7 '16 at 17:26
1
1
For all the noobs out there thanks a lot
– Etienne
Nov 22 '16 at 3:50
For all the noobs out there thanks a lot
– Etienne
Nov 22 '16 at 3:50
1
1
Thanks for explaining different behavior when passing Expression vs Func. It's extremely important to know!!
– Reverove Likia
Nov 29 '16 at 15:27
Thanks for explaining different behavior when passing Expression vs Func. It's extremely important to know!!
– Reverove Likia
Nov 29 '16 at 15:27
3
3
Great answer, thank you! This should get a lot more upvotes!
– j00hi
Jan 9 '17 at 9:20
Great answer, thank you! This should get a lot more upvotes!
– j00hi
Jan 9 '17 at 9:20
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An extremely important consideration in the choice of Expression vs Func is that IQueryable providers like LINQ to Entities can 'digest' what you pass in an Expression, but will ignore what you pass in a Func. I have two blog posts on the subject:
More on Expression vs Func with Entity Framework and
Falling in Love with LINQ - Part 7: Expressions and Funcs (the last section)
+l for explanation. However I get 'The LINQ expression node type 'Invoke' is not supported in LINQ to Entities.' and had to use ForEach after fetching the results.
– tymtam
Apr 29 '13 at 4:52
add a comment |
up vote
94
down vote
An extremely important consideration in the choice of Expression vs Func is that IQueryable providers like LINQ to Entities can 'digest' what you pass in an Expression, but will ignore what you pass in a Func. I have two blog posts on the subject:
More on Expression vs Func with Entity Framework and
Falling in Love with LINQ - Part 7: Expressions and Funcs (the last section)
+l for explanation. However I get 'The LINQ expression node type 'Invoke' is not supported in LINQ to Entities.' and had to use ForEach after fetching the results.
– tymtam
Apr 29 '13 at 4:52
add a comment |
up vote
94
down vote
up vote
94
down vote
An extremely important consideration in the choice of Expression vs Func is that IQueryable providers like LINQ to Entities can 'digest' what you pass in an Expression, but will ignore what you pass in a Func. I have two blog posts on the subject:
More on Expression vs Func with Entity Framework and
Falling in Love with LINQ - Part 7: Expressions and Funcs (the last section)
An extremely important consideration in the choice of Expression vs Func is that IQueryable providers like LINQ to Entities can 'digest' what you pass in an Expression, but will ignore what you pass in a Func. I have two blog posts on the subject:
More on Expression vs Func with Entity Framework and
Falling in Love with LINQ - Part 7: Expressions and Funcs (the last section)
answered Jan 11 '12 at 15:57
LSpencer777
1,28811014
1,28811014
+l for explanation. However I get 'The LINQ expression node type 'Invoke' is not supported in LINQ to Entities.' and had to use ForEach after fetching the results.
– tymtam
Apr 29 '13 at 4:52
add a comment |
+l for explanation. However I get 'The LINQ expression node type 'Invoke' is not supported in LINQ to Entities.' and had to use ForEach after fetching the results.
– tymtam
Apr 29 '13 at 4:52
+l for explanation. However I get 'The LINQ expression node type 'Invoke' is not supported in LINQ to Entities.' and had to use ForEach after fetching the results.
– tymtam
Apr 29 '13 at 4:52
+l for explanation. However I get 'The LINQ expression node type 'Invoke' is not supported in LINQ to Entities.' and had to use ForEach after fetching the results.
– tymtam
Apr 29 '13 at 4:52
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up vote
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down vote
I'd like to add some notes about the differences between Func<T>
and Expression<Func<T>>
:
Func<T>
is just a normal old-school MulticastDelegate;
Expression<Func<T>>
is a representation of lambda expression in form of expression tree;- expression tree can be constructed through lambda expression syntax or through the API syntax;
- expression tree can be compiled to a delegate
Func<T>
; - the inverse conversion is theoretically possible, but it's a kind of decompiling, there is no builtin functionality for that as it's not a straightforward process;
- expression tree can be observed/translated/modified through the
ExpressionVisitor
; - the extension methods for IEnumerable operate with
Func<T>
; - the extension methods for IQueryable operate with
Expression<Func<T>>
.
There's an article which describes the details with code samples:
LINQ: Func<T> vs. Expression<Func<T>>.
Hope it will be helpful.
Nice list, one small note is you mention that the inverse conversion is possible, however an exact inverse is not. Some metadata is lost during the conversion process. However you could decompile it to an Expression tree that produces the same result when compiled again.
– Aidiakapi
Mar 13 '15 at 19:43
add a comment |
up vote
61
down vote
I'd like to add some notes about the differences between Func<T>
and Expression<Func<T>>
:
Func<T>
is just a normal old-school MulticastDelegate;
Expression<Func<T>>
is a representation of lambda expression in form of expression tree;- expression tree can be constructed through lambda expression syntax or through the API syntax;
- expression tree can be compiled to a delegate
Func<T>
; - the inverse conversion is theoretically possible, but it's a kind of decompiling, there is no builtin functionality for that as it's not a straightforward process;
- expression tree can be observed/translated/modified through the
ExpressionVisitor
; - the extension methods for IEnumerable operate with
Func<T>
; - the extension methods for IQueryable operate with
Expression<Func<T>>
.
There's an article which describes the details with code samples:
LINQ: Func<T> vs. Expression<Func<T>>.
Hope it will be helpful.
Nice list, one small note is you mention that the inverse conversion is possible, however an exact inverse is not. Some metadata is lost during the conversion process. However you could decompile it to an Expression tree that produces the same result when compiled again.
– Aidiakapi
Mar 13 '15 at 19:43
add a comment |
up vote
61
down vote
up vote
61
down vote
I'd like to add some notes about the differences between Func<T>
and Expression<Func<T>>
:
Func<T>
is just a normal old-school MulticastDelegate;
Expression<Func<T>>
is a representation of lambda expression in form of expression tree;- expression tree can be constructed through lambda expression syntax or through the API syntax;
- expression tree can be compiled to a delegate
Func<T>
; - the inverse conversion is theoretically possible, but it's a kind of decompiling, there is no builtin functionality for that as it's not a straightforward process;
- expression tree can be observed/translated/modified through the
ExpressionVisitor
; - the extension methods for IEnumerable operate with
Func<T>
; - the extension methods for IQueryable operate with
Expression<Func<T>>
.
There's an article which describes the details with code samples:
LINQ: Func<T> vs. Expression<Func<T>>.
Hope it will be helpful.
I'd like to add some notes about the differences between Func<T>
and Expression<Func<T>>
:
Func<T>
is just a normal old-school MulticastDelegate;
Expression<Func<T>>
is a representation of lambda expression in form of expression tree;- expression tree can be constructed through lambda expression syntax or through the API syntax;
- expression tree can be compiled to a delegate
Func<T>
; - the inverse conversion is theoretically possible, but it's a kind of decompiling, there is no builtin functionality for that as it's not a straightforward process;
- expression tree can be observed/translated/modified through the
ExpressionVisitor
; - the extension methods for IEnumerable operate with
Func<T>
; - the extension methods for IQueryable operate with
Expression<Func<T>>
.
There's an article which describes the details with code samples:
LINQ: Func<T> vs. Expression<Func<T>>.
Hope it will be helpful.
edited Jun 11 '13 at 8:34
answered Jun 11 '13 at 0:02
Olexander
1,7521129
1,7521129
Nice list, one small note is you mention that the inverse conversion is possible, however an exact inverse is not. Some metadata is lost during the conversion process. However you could decompile it to an Expression tree that produces the same result when compiled again.
– Aidiakapi
Mar 13 '15 at 19:43
add a comment |
Nice list, one small note is you mention that the inverse conversion is possible, however an exact inverse is not. Some metadata is lost during the conversion process. However you could decompile it to an Expression tree that produces the same result when compiled again.
– Aidiakapi
Mar 13 '15 at 19:43
Nice list, one small note is you mention that the inverse conversion is possible, however an exact inverse is not. Some metadata is lost during the conversion process. However you could decompile it to an Expression tree that produces the same result when compiled again.
– Aidiakapi
Mar 13 '15 at 19:43
Nice list, one small note is you mention that the inverse conversion is possible, however an exact inverse is not. Some metadata is lost during the conversion process. However you could decompile it to an Expression tree that produces the same result when compiled again.
– Aidiakapi
Mar 13 '15 at 19:43
add a comment |
up vote
53
down vote
There is a more philosophical explanation about it from Krzysztof Cwalina's book(Framework Design Guidelines: Conventions, Idioms, and Patterns for Reusable .NET Libraries);
Edit for non-image version:
Most times you're going to want Func or Action if all that needs to happen is to run some code. You need Expression when the code needs to be analyzed, serialized, or optimized before it is run. Expression is for thinking about code, Func/Action is for running it.
7
Well put. ie. You need expression when you are expecting your Func to be converted into some sort of query. Ie. you needdatabase.data.Where(i => i.Id > 0)
to be executed asSELECT FROM [data] WHERE [id] > 0
. If you just pass in a Func, you've put blinders on your driver and all it can do isSELECT *
and then once it's loaded all of that data into memory, iterate through each and filter out everything with id > 0. Wrapping yourFunc
inExpression
empowers the driver to analyze theFunc
and turn it into a Sql/MongoDb/other query.
– Chad Hedgcock
Mar 26 '16 at 3:59
the link doesn't seem to work
– Kcats Wolfrevo
Sep 21 '17 at 10:10
@KcatsWolfrevo edited for non image version.
– Oğuzhan Soykan
Oct 11 '17 at 18:02
So when i am planning for a Vacation, I would useExpression
but when I am ON vacation it will beFunc/Action
;)
– GoldBishop
Nov 7 '17 at 19:42
add a comment |
up vote
53
down vote
There is a more philosophical explanation about it from Krzysztof Cwalina's book(Framework Design Guidelines: Conventions, Idioms, and Patterns for Reusable .NET Libraries);
Edit for non-image version:
Most times you're going to want Func or Action if all that needs to happen is to run some code. You need Expression when the code needs to be analyzed, serialized, or optimized before it is run. Expression is for thinking about code, Func/Action is for running it.
7
Well put. ie. You need expression when you are expecting your Func to be converted into some sort of query. Ie. you needdatabase.data.Where(i => i.Id > 0)
to be executed asSELECT FROM [data] WHERE [id] > 0
. If you just pass in a Func, you've put blinders on your driver and all it can do isSELECT *
and then once it's loaded all of that data into memory, iterate through each and filter out everything with id > 0. Wrapping yourFunc
inExpression
empowers the driver to analyze theFunc
and turn it into a Sql/MongoDb/other query.
– Chad Hedgcock
Mar 26 '16 at 3:59
the link doesn't seem to work
– Kcats Wolfrevo
Sep 21 '17 at 10:10
@KcatsWolfrevo edited for non image version.
– Oğuzhan Soykan
Oct 11 '17 at 18:02
So when i am planning for a Vacation, I would useExpression
but when I am ON vacation it will beFunc/Action
;)
– GoldBishop
Nov 7 '17 at 19:42
add a comment |
up vote
53
down vote
up vote
53
down vote
There is a more philosophical explanation about it from Krzysztof Cwalina's book(Framework Design Guidelines: Conventions, Idioms, and Patterns for Reusable .NET Libraries);
Edit for non-image version:
Most times you're going to want Func or Action if all that needs to happen is to run some code. You need Expression when the code needs to be analyzed, serialized, or optimized before it is run. Expression is for thinking about code, Func/Action is for running it.
There is a more philosophical explanation about it from Krzysztof Cwalina's book(Framework Design Guidelines: Conventions, Idioms, and Patterns for Reusable .NET Libraries);
Edit for non-image version:
Most times you're going to want Func or Action if all that needs to happen is to run some code. You need Expression when the code needs to be analyzed, serialized, or optimized before it is run. Expression is for thinking about code, Func/Action is for running it.
edited Oct 11 '17 at 18:00
answered Mar 11 '16 at 13:10
Oğuzhan Soykan
1,2231124
1,2231124
7
Well put. ie. You need expression when you are expecting your Func to be converted into some sort of query. Ie. you needdatabase.data.Where(i => i.Id > 0)
to be executed asSELECT FROM [data] WHERE [id] > 0
. If you just pass in a Func, you've put blinders on your driver and all it can do isSELECT *
and then once it's loaded all of that data into memory, iterate through each and filter out everything with id > 0. Wrapping yourFunc
inExpression
empowers the driver to analyze theFunc
and turn it into a Sql/MongoDb/other query.
– Chad Hedgcock
Mar 26 '16 at 3:59
the link doesn't seem to work
– Kcats Wolfrevo
Sep 21 '17 at 10:10
@KcatsWolfrevo edited for non image version.
– Oğuzhan Soykan
Oct 11 '17 at 18:02
So when i am planning for a Vacation, I would useExpression
but when I am ON vacation it will beFunc/Action
;)
– GoldBishop
Nov 7 '17 at 19:42
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7
Well put. ie. You need expression when you are expecting your Func to be converted into some sort of query. Ie. you needdatabase.data.Where(i => i.Id > 0)
to be executed asSELECT FROM [data] WHERE [id] > 0
. If you just pass in a Func, you've put blinders on your driver and all it can do isSELECT *
and then once it's loaded all of that data into memory, iterate through each and filter out everything with id > 0. Wrapping yourFunc
inExpression
empowers the driver to analyze theFunc
and turn it into a Sql/MongoDb/other query.
– Chad Hedgcock
Mar 26 '16 at 3:59
the link doesn't seem to work
– Kcats Wolfrevo
Sep 21 '17 at 10:10
@KcatsWolfrevo edited for non image version.
– Oğuzhan Soykan
Oct 11 '17 at 18:02
So when i am planning for a Vacation, I would useExpression
but when I am ON vacation it will beFunc/Action
;)
– GoldBishop
Nov 7 '17 at 19:42
7
7
Well put. ie. You need expression when you are expecting your Func to be converted into some sort of query. Ie. you need
database.data.Where(i => i.Id > 0)
to be executed as SELECT FROM [data] WHERE [id] > 0
. If you just pass in a Func, you've put blinders on your driver and all it can do is SELECT *
and then once it's loaded all of that data into memory, iterate through each and filter out everything with id > 0. Wrapping your Func
in Expression
empowers the driver to analyze the Func
and turn it into a Sql/MongoDb/other query.– Chad Hedgcock
Mar 26 '16 at 3:59
Well put. ie. You need expression when you are expecting your Func to be converted into some sort of query. Ie. you need
database.data.Where(i => i.Id > 0)
to be executed as SELECT FROM [data] WHERE [id] > 0
. If you just pass in a Func, you've put blinders on your driver and all it can do is SELECT *
and then once it's loaded all of that data into memory, iterate through each and filter out everything with id > 0. Wrapping your Func
in Expression
empowers the driver to analyze the Func
and turn it into a Sql/MongoDb/other query.– Chad Hedgcock
Mar 26 '16 at 3:59
the link doesn't seem to work
– Kcats Wolfrevo
Sep 21 '17 at 10:10
the link doesn't seem to work
– Kcats Wolfrevo
Sep 21 '17 at 10:10
@KcatsWolfrevo edited for non image version.
– Oğuzhan Soykan
Oct 11 '17 at 18:02
@KcatsWolfrevo edited for non image version.
– Oğuzhan Soykan
Oct 11 '17 at 18:02
So when i am planning for a Vacation, I would use
Expression
but when I am ON vacation it will be Func/Action
;)– GoldBishop
Nov 7 '17 at 19:42
So when i am planning for a Vacation, I would use
Expression
but when I am ON vacation it will be Func/Action
;)– GoldBishop
Nov 7 '17 at 19:42
add a comment |
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34
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LINQ is the canonical example (for example, talking to a database), but in truth, any time you care more about expressing what to do, rather than actually doing it. For example, I use this approach in the RPC stack of protobuf-net (to avoid code-generation etc) - so you call a method with:
string result = client.Invoke(svc => svc.SomeMethod(arg1, arg2, ...));
This deconstructs the expression tree to resolve SomeMethod
(and the value of each argument), performs the RPC call, updates any ref
/out
args, and returns the result from the remote call. This is only possible via the expression tree. I cover this more here.
Another example is when you are building the expression trees manually for the purpose of compiling to a lambda, as done by the generic operators code.
add a comment |
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LINQ is the canonical example (for example, talking to a database), but in truth, any time you care more about expressing what to do, rather than actually doing it. For example, I use this approach in the RPC stack of protobuf-net (to avoid code-generation etc) - so you call a method with:
string result = client.Invoke(svc => svc.SomeMethod(arg1, arg2, ...));
This deconstructs the expression tree to resolve SomeMethod
(and the value of each argument), performs the RPC call, updates any ref
/out
args, and returns the result from the remote call. This is only possible via the expression tree. I cover this more here.
Another example is when you are building the expression trees manually for the purpose of compiling to a lambda, as done by the generic operators code.
add a comment |
up vote
34
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up vote
34
down vote
LINQ is the canonical example (for example, talking to a database), but in truth, any time you care more about expressing what to do, rather than actually doing it. For example, I use this approach in the RPC stack of protobuf-net (to avoid code-generation etc) - so you call a method with:
string result = client.Invoke(svc => svc.SomeMethod(arg1, arg2, ...));
This deconstructs the expression tree to resolve SomeMethod
(and the value of each argument), performs the RPC call, updates any ref
/out
args, and returns the result from the remote call. This is only possible via the expression tree. I cover this more here.
Another example is when you are building the expression trees manually for the purpose of compiling to a lambda, as done by the generic operators code.
LINQ is the canonical example (for example, talking to a database), but in truth, any time you care more about expressing what to do, rather than actually doing it. For example, I use this approach in the RPC stack of protobuf-net (to avoid code-generation etc) - so you call a method with:
string result = client.Invoke(svc => svc.SomeMethod(arg1, arg2, ...));
This deconstructs the expression tree to resolve SomeMethod
(and the value of each argument), performs the RPC call, updates any ref
/out
args, and returns the result from the remote call. This is only possible via the expression tree. I cover this more here.
Another example is when you are building the expression trees manually for the purpose of compiling to a lambda, as done by the generic operators code.
edited Aug 13 at 5:57
PeterFett
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answered Apr 27 '09 at 14:13
Marc Gravell♦
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You would use an expression when you want to treat your function as data and not as code. You can do this if you want to manipulate the code (as data). Most of the time if you don't see a need for expressions then you probably don't need to use one.
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You would use an expression when you want to treat your function as data and not as code. You can do this if you want to manipulate the code (as data). Most of the time if you don't see a need for expressions then you probably don't need to use one.
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You would use an expression when you want to treat your function as data and not as code. You can do this if you want to manipulate the code (as data). Most of the time if you don't see a need for expressions then you probably don't need to use one.
You would use an expression when you want to treat your function as data and not as code. You can do this if you want to manipulate the code (as data). Most of the time if you don't see a need for expressions then you probably don't need to use one.
answered Apr 27 '09 at 13:53
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The primary reason is when you don't want to run the code directly, but rather, want to inspect it. This can be for any number of reasons:
- Mapping the code to a different environment (ie. C# code to SQL in Entity Framework)
- Replacing parts of the code in runtime (dynamic programming or even plain DRY techniques)
- Code validation (very useful when emulating scripting or when doing analysis)
- Serialization - expressions can be serialized rather easily and safely, delegates can't
- Strongly-typed safety on things that aren't inherently strongly-typed, and exploiting compiler checks even though you're doing dynamic calls in runtime (ASP.NET MVC 5 with Razor is a nice example)
can you elaborate a bit more on no.5
– uowzd01
Oct 25 '15 at 23:09
@uowzd01 Just look at Razor - it uses this approach extensively.
– Luaan
Oct 26 '15 at 8:04
@Luaan I am looking for expression serializations but not able to find anything without a limited third party usage. Does .Net 4.5 support expression tree serialization?
– vabii
Dec 12 '17 at 19:27
@vabii Not that I know of - and it wouldn't really be a good idea for the general case. My point was more about you being able to write pretty simple serialization for the specific cases you want to support, against interfaces designed ahead of time - I've done just that a few times. In the general case, anExpression
can be just as impossible to serialize as a delegate, since any expression can contain an invocation of an arbitrary delegate/method reference. "Easy" is relative, of course.
– Luaan
Dec 13 '17 at 14:30
@Luaan Thanks for clarifying.
– vabii
Dec 13 '17 at 16:07
add a comment |
up vote
15
down vote
The primary reason is when you don't want to run the code directly, but rather, want to inspect it. This can be for any number of reasons:
- Mapping the code to a different environment (ie. C# code to SQL in Entity Framework)
- Replacing parts of the code in runtime (dynamic programming or even plain DRY techniques)
- Code validation (very useful when emulating scripting or when doing analysis)
- Serialization - expressions can be serialized rather easily and safely, delegates can't
- Strongly-typed safety on things that aren't inherently strongly-typed, and exploiting compiler checks even though you're doing dynamic calls in runtime (ASP.NET MVC 5 with Razor is a nice example)
can you elaborate a bit more on no.5
– uowzd01
Oct 25 '15 at 23:09
@uowzd01 Just look at Razor - it uses this approach extensively.
– Luaan
Oct 26 '15 at 8:04
@Luaan I am looking for expression serializations but not able to find anything without a limited third party usage. Does .Net 4.5 support expression tree serialization?
– vabii
Dec 12 '17 at 19:27
@vabii Not that I know of - and it wouldn't really be a good idea for the general case. My point was more about you being able to write pretty simple serialization for the specific cases you want to support, against interfaces designed ahead of time - I've done just that a few times. In the general case, anExpression
can be just as impossible to serialize as a delegate, since any expression can contain an invocation of an arbitrary delegate/method reference. "Easy" is relative, of course.
– Luaan
Dec 13 '17 at 14:30
@Luaan Thanks for clarifying.
– vabii
Dec 13 '17 at 16:07
add a comment |
up vote
15
down vote
up vote
15
down vote
The primary reason is when you don't want to run the code directly, but rather, want to inspect it. This can be for any number of reasons:
- Mapping the code to a different environment (ie. C# code to SQL in Entity Framework)
- Replacing parts of the code in runtime (dynamic programming or even plain DRY techniques)
- Code validation (very useful when emulating scripting or when doing analysis)
- Serialization - expressions can be serialized rather easily and safely, delegates can't
- Strongly-typed safety on things that aren't inherently strongly-typed, and exploiting compiler checks even though you're doing dynamic calls in runtime (ASP.NET MVC 5 with Razor is a nice example)
The primary reason is when you don't want to run the code directly, but rather, want to inspect it. This can be for any number of reasons:
- Mapping the code to a different environment (ie. C# code to SQL in Entity Framework)
- Replacing parts of the code in runtime (dynamic programming or even plain DRY techniques)
- Code validation (very useful when emulating scripting or when doing analysis)
- Serialization - expressions can be serialized rather easily and safely, delegates can't
- Strongly-typed safety on things that aren't inherently strongly-typed, and exploiting compiler checks even though you're doing dynamic calls in runtime (ASP.NET MVC 5 with Razor is a nice example)
answered Mar 26 '14 at 12:54
Luaan
48k45783
48k45783
can you elaborate a bit more on no.5
– uowzd01
Oct 25 '15 at 23:09
@uowzd01 Just look at Razor - it uses this approach extensively.
– Luaan
Oct 26 '15 at 8:04
@Luaan I am looking for expression serializations but not able to find anything without a limited third party usage. Does .Net 4.5 support expression tree serialization?
– vabii
Dec 12 '17 at 19:27
@vabii Not that I know of - and it wouldn't really be a good idea for the general case. My point was more about you being able to write pretty simple serialization for the specific cases you want to support, against interfaces designed ahead of time - I've done just that a few times. In the general case, anExpression
can be just as impossible to serialize as a delegate, since any expression can contain an invocation of an arbitrary delegate/method reference. "Easy" is relative, of course.
– Luaan
Dec 13 '17 at 14:30
@Luaan Thanks for clarifying.
– vabii
Dec 13 '17 at 16:07
add a comment |
can you elaborate a bit more on no.5
– uowzd01
Oct 25 '15 at 23:09
@uowzd01 Just look at Razor - it uses this approach extensively.
– Luaan
Oct 26 '15 at 8:04
@Luaan I am looking for expression serializations but not able to find anything without a limited third party usage. Does .Net 4.5 support expression tree serialization?
– vabii
Dec 12 '17 at 19:27
@vabii Not that I know of - and it wouldn't really be a good idea for the general case. My point was more about you being able to write pretty simple serialization for the specific cases you want to support, against interfaces designed ahead of time - I've done just that a few times. In the general case, anExpression
can be just as impossible to serialize as a delegate, since any expression can contain an invocation of an arbitrary delegate/method reference. "Easy" is relative, of course.
– Luaan
Dec 13 '17 at 14:30
@Luaan Thanks for clarifying.
– vabii
Dec 13 '17 at 16:07
can you elaborate a bit more on no.5
– uowzd01
Oct 25 '15 at 23:09
can you elaborate a bit more on no.5
– uowzd01
Oct 25 '15 at 23:09
@uowzd01 Just look at Razor - it uses this approach extensively.
– Luaan
Oct 26 '15 at 8:04
@uowzd01 Just look at Razor - it uses this approach extensively.
– Luaan
Oct 26 '15 at 8:04
@Luaan I am looking for expression serializations but not able to find anything without a limited third party usage. Does .Net 4.5 support expression tree serialization?
– vabii
Dec 12 '17 at 19:27
@Luaan I am looking for expression serializations but not able to find anything without a limited third party usage. Does .Net 4.5 support expression tree serialization?
– vabii
Dec 12 '17 at 19:27
@vabii Not that I know of - and it wouldn't really be a good idea for the general case. My point was more about you being able to write pretty simple serialization for the specific cases you want to support, against interfaces designed ahead of time - I've done just that a few times. In the general case, an
Expression
can be just as impossible to serialize as a delegate, since any expression can contain an invocation of an arbitrary delegate/method reference. "Easy" is relative, of course.– Luaan
Dec 13 '17 at 14:30
@vabii Not that I know of - and it wouldn't really be a good idea for the general case. My point was more about you being able to write pretty simple serialization for the specific cases you want to support, against interfaces designed ahead of time - I've done just that a few times. In the general case, an
Expression
can be just as impossible to serialize as a delegate, since any expression can contain an invocation of an arbitrary delegate/method reference. "Easy" is relative, of course.– Luaan
Dec 13 '17 at 14:30
@Luaan Thanks for clarifying.
– vabii
Dec 13 '17 at 16:07
@Luaan Thanks for clarifying.
– vabii
Dec 13 '17 at 16:07
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7
down vote
I don't see any answers yet that mention performance. Passing Func<>
s into Where()
or Count()
is bad. Real bad. If you use a Func<>
then it calls the IEnumerable
LINQ stuff instead of IQueryable
, which means that whole tables get pulled in and then filtered. Expression<Func<>>
is significantly faster, especially if you are querying a database that lives another server.
Does this apply to in-memory query as well?
– stt106
Jan 4 at 15:18
@stt106 Probably not.
– mhenry1384
Jan 6 at 2:54
This is only true if you enumerate the list. If you use GetEnumerator or foreach you will not load the ienumerable fully into memory.
– nelsontruran
Apr 23 at 20:17
1
@stt106 When passed to the .Where() clause of a List<>, Expression<Func<>> gets .Compile() called on it, so Func<> is almost certainly faster. See referencesource.microsoft.com/#System.Core/System/Linq/…
– NStuke
Aug 1 at 18:43
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
I don't see any answers yet that mention performance. Passing Func<>
s into Where()
or Count()
is bad. Real bad. If you use a Func<>
then it calls the IEnumerable
LINQ stuff instead of IQueryable
, which means that whole tables get pulled in and then filtered. Expression<Func<>>
is significantly faster, especially if you are querying a database that lives another server.
Does this apply to in-memory query as well?
– stt106
Jan 4 at 15:18
@stt106 Probably not.
– mhenry1384
Jan 6 at 2:54
This is only true if you enumerate the list. If you use GetEnumerator or foreach you will not load the ienumerable fully into memory.
– nelsontruran
Apr 23 at 20:17
1
@stt106 When passed to the .Where() clause of a List<>, Expression<Func<>> gets .Compile() called on it, so Func<> is almost certainly faster. See referencesource.microsoft.com/#System.Core/System/Linq/…
– NStuke
Aug 1 at 18:43
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
I don't see any answers yet that mention performance. Passing Func<>
s into Where()
or Count()
is bad. Real bad. If you use a Func<>
then it calls the IEnumerable
LINQ stuff instead of IQueryable
, which means that whole tables get pulled in and then filtered. Expression<Func<>>
is significantly faster, especially if you are querying a database that lives another server.
I don't see any answers yet that mention performance. Passing Func<>
s into Where()
or Count()
is bad. Real bad. If you use a Func<>
then it calls the IEnumerable
LINQ stuff instead of IQueryable
, which means that whole tables get pulled in and then filtered. Expression<Func<>>
is significantly faster, especially if you are querying a database that lives another server.
answered Jun 16 '17 at 15:58
mhenry1384
5,55544161
5,55544161
Does this apply to in-memory query as well?
– stt106
Jan 4 at 15:18
@stt106 Probably not.
– mhenry1384
Jan 6 at 2:54
This is only true if you enumerate the list. If you use GetEnumerator or foreach you will not load the ienumerable fully into memory.
– nelsontruran
Apr 23 at 20:17
1
@stt106 When passed to the .Where() clause of a List<>, Expression<Func<>> gets .Compile() called on it, so Func<> is almost certainly faster. See referencesource.microsoft.com/#System.Core/System/Linq/…
– NStuke
Aug 1 at 18:43
add a comment |
Does this apply to in-memory query as well?
– stt106
Jan 4 at 15:18
@stt106 Probably not.
– mhenry1384
Jan 6 at 2:54
This is only true if you enumerate the list. If you use GetEnumerator or foreach you will not load the ienumerable fully into memory.
– nelsontruran
Apr 23 at 20:17
1
@stt106 When passed to the .Where() clause of a List<>, Expression<Func<>> gets .Compile() called on it, so Func<> is almost certainly faster. See referencesource.microsoft.com/#System.Core/System/Linq/…
– NStuke
Aug 1 at 18:43
Does this apply to in-memory query as well?
– stt106
Jan 4 at 15:18
Does this apply to in-memory query as well?
– stt106
Jan 4 at 15:18
@stt106 Probably not.
– mhenry1384
Jan 6 at 2:54
@stt106 Probably not.
– mhenry1384
Jan 6 at 2:54
This is only true if you enumerate the list. If you use GetEnumerator or foreach you will not load the ienumerable fully into memory.
– nelsontruran
Apr 23 at 20:17
This is only true if you enumerate the list. If you use GetEnumerator or foreach you will not load the ienumerable fully into memory.
– nelsontruran
Apr 23 at 20:17
1
1
@stt106 When passed to the .Where() clause of a List<>, Expression<Func<>> gets .Compile() called on it, so Func<> is almost certainly faster. See referencesource.microsoft.com/#System.Core/System/Linq/…
– NStuke
Aug 1 at 18:43
@stt106 When passed to the .Where() clause of a List<>, Expression<Func<>> gets .Compile() called on it, so Func<> is almost certainly faster. See referencesource.microsoft.com/#System.Core/System/Linq/…
– NStuke
Aug 1 at 18:43
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Func<> will be converted to a method on the c# compiler level ,Expression<Func<>> will be executed on the MSIL level after compiling the code directly, that is the reason it is faster
– Waleed A.K.
Aug 28 '16 at 18:05
in addition to the answers, the csharp language specification "4.6 expression tree types" is helpful to cross reference
– djeikyb
Dec 4 '17 at 23:51