Have we ever seen a captured ship incorporated permanently in the enemy's fleet?
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The threat of a starship being boarded and captured by enemy forces appears often in Star Trek franchise. On some occasions, such an operation is successful and the enemy gains the control over the starship. Such a starship is of great value for the enemy's intelligence services and would most likely be disassembled and studied by them. However, in situations when the ship's design is already known, or several ships of the same class are captured, there is no need to disassemble every one of them. Such ships can be manned by the enemy and be incorporated in the enemy's fleet.
There have been episodes in which a captured enemy ship is used for covert operations, however these ships do not last for long (like the Dominion's ship used by Starfleet).
Conditions I would like to exclude:
- A captured ship used by an individual and not in actual control of enemy's fleet (like Dukat's Bird-of-Prey).
- A captured ship used in one major operation and not used continuously by the enemy due to its destruction / becoming disabled / not being shown ever again (like Jem'Hadar fighter captured by Starfleet).
Have we ever seen a captured ship incorporated permanently in the enemy's fleet?
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The threat of a starship being boarded and captured by enemy forces appears often in Star Trek franchise. On some occasions, such an operation is successful and the enemy gains the control over the starship. Such a starship is of great value for the enemy's intelligence services and would most likely be disassembled and studied by them. However, in situations when the ship's design is already known, or several ships of the same class are captured, there is no need to disassemble every one of them. Such ships can be manned by the enemy and be incorporated in the enemy's fleet.
There have been episodes in which a captured enemy ship is used for covert operations, however these ships do not last for long (like the Dominion's ship used by Starfleet).
Conditions I would like to exclude:
- A captured ship used by an individual and not in actual control of enemy's fleet (like Dukat's Bird-of-Prey).
- A captured ship used in one major operation and not used continuously by the enemy due to its destruction / becoming disabled / not being shown ever again (like Jem'Hadar fighter captured by Starfleet).
Have we ever seen a captured ship incorporated permanently in the enemy's fleet?
star-trek spaceship
asked Nov 9 at 11:52
Edmund Dantes
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It strikes me that a captured ship would be a millstone. Constantly breaking down, hard to maintain, permanently lacking dedicated drydock facilities, in desperate need of hard-to-get spares and hated by the crews. Over time it would simply break as soon as a unique part was unavailable and you'd have to refit it to take your own systems, like O'Brien spent months/years trying to get DS9 to work properly.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:33
9
You mean, like Deep Space 9? :)
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:34
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I was also thinking of the Iraqi experience in Gulf I. They left entire batallions of tanks on the battlefield for the want of $1 parts that could have been easily sourced if they hadn't been under embargo.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:35
3
And I was thinking about Earth "sea ships" being boarded and captured by enemy forces, repainted / given a new name and flag, and then used to attack the enemy and their former-sister ships. I AM aware that wooden ships were much simpler and more compatible than starships :) Still, I would like to see Starfleet facing a Galaxy-class starship repainted and manned by Klingons/Romulans, just because they failed to destroy it before it was captured.
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:43
1
The more complex a ship or vessel, the more requirement there is to have specialist single-usage parts. My car, for example, can't function without its computer module and those modules are only available from the manufacturer. In a few decades, those parts will be obsolete and the car will be too, even though it might remain in mint condition otherwise. And all for want of a $5 module.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:47
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The threat of a starship being boarded and captured by enemy forces appears often in Star Trek franchise. On some occasions, such an operation is successful and the enemy gains the control over the starship. Such a starship is of great value for the enemy's intelligence services and would most likely be disassembled and studied by them. However, in situations when the ship's design is already known, or several ships of the same class are captured, there is no need to disassemble every one of them. Such ships can be manned by the enemy and be incorporated in the enemy's fleet.
There have been episodes in which a captured enemy ship is used for covert operations, however these ships do not last for long (like the Dominion's ship used by Starfleet).
Conditions I would like to exclude:
- A captured ship used by an individual and not in actual control of enemy's fleet (like Dukat's Bird-of-Prey).
- A captured ship used in one major operation and not used continuously by the enemy due to its destruction / becoming disabled / not being shown ever again (like Jem'Hadar fighter captured by Starfleet).
Have we ever seen a captured ship incorporated permanently in the enemy's fleet?
star-trek spaceship
asked Nov 9 at 11:52
Edmund Dantes
5,10112747
The threat of a starship being boarded and captured by enemy forces appears often in Star Trek franchise. On some occasions, such an operation is successful and the enemy gains the control over the starship. Such a starship is of great value for the enemy's intelligence services and would most likely be disassembled and studied by them. However, in situations when the ship's design is already known, or several ships of the same class are captured, there is no need to disassemble every one of them. Such ships can be manned by the enemy and be incorporated in the enemy's fleet.
There have been episodes in which a captured enemy ship is used for covert operations, however these ships do not last for long (like the Dominion's ship used by Starfleet).
Conditions I would like to exclude:
- A captured ship used by an individual and not in actual control of enemy's fleet (like Dukat's Bird-of-Prey).
- A captured ship used in one major operation and not used continuously by the enemy due to its destruction / becoming disabled / not being shown ever again (like Jem'Hadar fighter captured by Starfleet).
Have we ever seen a captured ship incorporated permanently in the enemy's fleet?
star-trek spaceship
star-trek spaceship
asked Nov 9 at 11:52
Edmund Dantes
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asked Nov 9 at 11:52
Edmund Dantes
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asked Nov 9 at 11:52
Edmund Dantes
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asked Nov 9 at 11:52
Edmund Dantes
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Edmund Dantes
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It strikes me that a captured ship would be a millstone. Constantly breaking down, hard to maintain, permanently lacking dedicated drydock facilities, in desperate need of hard-to-get spares and hated by the crews. Over time it would simply break as soon as a unique part was unavailable and you'd have to refit it to take your own systems, like O'Brien spent months/years trying to get DS9 to work properly.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:33
9
You mean, like Deep Space 9? :)
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:34
2
I was also thinking of the Iraqi experience in Gulf I. They left entire batallions of tanks on the battlefield for the want of $1 parts that could have been easily sourced if they hadn't been under embargo.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:35
3
And I was thinking about Earth "sea ships" being boarded and captured by enemy forces, repainted / given a new name and flag, and then used to attack the enemy and their former-sister ships. I AM aware that wooden ships were much simpler and more compatible than starships :) Still, I would like to see Starfleet facing a Galaxy-class starship repainted and manned by Klingons/Romulans, just because they failed to destroy it before it was captured.
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:43
1
The more complex a ship or vessel, the more requirement there is to have specialist single-usage parts. My car, for example, can't function without its computer module and those modules are only available from the manufacturer. In a few decades, those parts will be obsolete and the car will be too, even though it might remain in mint condition otherwise. And all for want of a $5 module.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:47
|
show 9 more comments
11
It strikes me that a captured ship would be a millstone. Constantly breaking down, hard to maintain, permanently lacking dedicated drydock facilities, in desperate need of hard-to-get spares and hated by the crews. Over time it would simply break as soon as a unique part was unavailable and you'd have to refit it to take your own systems, like O'Brien spent months/years trying to get DS9 to work properly.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:33
9
You mean, like Deep Space 9? :)
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:34
2
I was also thinking of the Iraqi experience in Gulf I. They left entire batallions of tanks on the battlefield for the want of $1 parts that could have been easily sourced if they hadn't been under embargo.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:35
3
And I was thinking about Earth "sea ships" being boarded and captured by enemy forces, repainted / given a new name and flag, and then used to attack the enemy and their former-sister ships. I AM aware that wooden ships were much simpler and more compatible than starships :) Still, I would like to see Starfleet facing a Galaxy-class starship repainted and manned by Klingons/Romulans, just because they failed to destroy it before it was captured.
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:43
1
The more complex a ship or vessel, the more requirement there is to have specialist single-usage parts. My car, for example, can't function without its computer module and those modules are only available from the manufacturer. In a few decades, those parts will be obsolete and the car will be too, even though it might remain in mint condition otherwise. And all for want of a $5 module.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:47
11
11
It strikes me that a captured ship would be a millstone. Constantly breaking down, hard to maintain, permanently lacking dedicated drydock facilities, in desperate need of hard-to-get spares and hated by the crews. Over time it would simply break as soon as a unique part was unavailable and you'd have to refit it to take your own systems, like O'Brien spent months/years trying to get DS9 to work properly.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:33
It strikes me that a captured ship would be a millstone. Constantly breaking down, hard to maintain, permanently lacking dedicated drydock facilities, in desperate need of hard-to-get spares and hated by the crews. Over time it would simply break as soon as a unique part was unavailable and you'd have to refit it to take your own systems, like O'Brien spent months/years trying to get DS9 to work properly.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:33
9
9
You mean, like Deep Space 9? :)
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:34
You mean, like Deep Space 9? :)
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:34
2
2
I was also thinking of the Iraqi experience in Gulf I. They left entire batallions of tanks on the battlefield for the want of $1 parts that could have been easily sourced if they hadn't been under embargo.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:35
I was also thinking of the Iraqi experience in Gulf I. They left entire batallions of tanks on the battlefield for the want of $1 parts that could have been easily sourced if they hadn't been under embargo.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:35
3
3
And I was thinking about Earth "sea ships" being boarded and captured by enemy forces, repainted / given a new name and flag, and then used to attack the enemy and their former-sister ships. I AM aware that wooden ships were much simpler and more compatible than starships :) Still, I would like to see Starfleet facing a Galaxy-class starship repainted and manned by Klingons/Romulans, just because they failed to destroy it before it was captured.
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:43
And I was thinking about Earth "sea ships" being boarded and captured by enemy forces, repainted / given a new name and flag, and then used to attack the enemy and their former-sister ships. I AM aware that wooden ships were much simpler and more compatible than starships :) Still, I would like to see Starfleet facing a Galaxy-class starship repainted and manned by Klingons/Romulans, just because they failed to destroy it before it was captured.
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:43
1
1
The more complex a ship or vessel, the more requirement there is to have specialist single-usage parts. My car, for example, can't function without its computer module and those modules are only available from the manufacturer. In a few decades, those parts will be obsolete and the car will be too, even though it might remain in mint condition otherwise. And all for want of a $5 module.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:47
The more complex a ship or vessel, the more requirement there is to have specialist single-usage parts. My car, for example, can't function without its computer module and those modules are only available from the manufacturer. In a few decades, those parts will be obsolete and the car will be too, even though it might remain in mint condition otherwise. And all for want of a $5 module.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:47
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While Terok Nor isn't technically a ship, it is capable of moving around inside the Bajor system under its own steam. It's renamed Deep Space Nine and is used extensively by the Federation and Bajorans.
answered Nov 9 at 12:23
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Well, it isn't a ship, as you mentioned, but I haven't thought of that at all. Nice one!
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:25
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If nothing else, it shows that the Federation aren't averse to using non-standard stations (and possibly ships) when the need arises. Much the same is true in TNG: Encounter at Farpoint where they plan to use a pre-built ground station.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:26
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I have to downvote because DS9, as you pointed, isn't a ship, but also it's legally a Bajoran station not a StarFleet one, it moved only once through the show and nearly tore itself apart in the process, and I'm not convinced about the bunch of Bajoran's sublight raiders/fighters being called a 'fleet'. And, as far as I know, the Bajorans didn't board and capture Terok Nor, more like the Cardassians abandoned it when the retreated from the Bajoran system and the Bajorans moved in afterwards.
– Sava
Nov 9 at 12:39
@Sava - It is, however, incorporated into the Bajoran fleet. It was also (on at least one occasion) captured and used by the Dominion, then re-captured by the Federation.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:39
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@Sava - They have sufficient ships to form a (relatively in)effective blockade; memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bajoran_interceptor
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:45
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The Kazon fleet comprises entirely of vessels taken from their former enslavers, the Trabe
NEELIX: They're Trabe vessels, actually. Everything the Kazon have, they stole from the Trabe. Mabus will tell you all about it over
a sumptuous dinner. The food hasn't been very good where we've been.
answered Nov 9 at 12:43
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Interesting find! Although I find it hardly surprising that revolutionaries permanently incorporate the military equipment left behind by the recently overthrown government. ;-) Which makes sense because the new government has access to the same supporting resources (both experience/documentation and maintenance tools) – especially considering your highly praised comment underneath the question.
– David Foerster
Nov 10 at 16:08
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U.S.S. Defiant, NCC-1764, Constitution class cruiser.
Originally built by:
United Federation of Planets
Captured by:
The Tholian Assembly in TOS S3E09 "The Tholian Web"
Captured by, and incorporated into the fleet of:
The Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) in ENT S4E18 & S4E19 "In a Mirror, Darkly"
answered Nov 9 at 14:52
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Although it didn't last too long, the Nyrians captured Voyager in Displaced. After all the Voyager crew were replaced, their leader stated "Your vessel will be used to defend Nyrian acquisitions."
answered Nov 12 at 18:12
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The question ask for ship that are 'permanently' added to the fleet, not temporarily.
– Sava
Nov 12 at 18:22
@Sava - Sure, but the aim seems to have been to include it in their fleet
– Valorum
Nov 12 at 18:28
@Sava True, I did overlook that.
– Brandon Dybala
Nov 12 at 18:31
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While Terok Nor isn't technically a ship, it is capable of moving around inside the Bajor system under its own steam. It's renamed Deep Space Nine and is used extensively by the Federation and Bajorans.
answered Nov 9 at 12:23
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Well, it isn't a ship, as you mentioned, but I haven't thought of that at all. Nice one!
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:25
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If nothing else, it shows that the Federation aren't averse to using non-standard stations (and possibly ships) when the need arises. Much the same is true in TNG: Encounter at Farpoint where they plan to use a pre-built ground station.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:26
1
I have to downvote because DS9, as you pointed, isn't a ship, but also it's legally a Bajoran station not a StarFleet one, it moved only once through the show and nearly tore itself apart in the process, and I'm not convinced about the bunch of Bajoran's sublight raiders/fighters being called a 'fleet'. And, as far as I know, the Bajorans didn't board and capture Terok Nor, more like the Cardassians abandoned it when the retreated from the Bajoran system and the Bajorans moved in afterwards.
– Sava
Nov 9 at 12:39
@Sava - It is, however, incorporated into the Bajoran fleet. It was also (on at least one occasion) captured and used by the Dominion, then re-captured by the Federation.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:39
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@Sava - They have sufficient ships to form a (relatively in)effective blockade; memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bajoran_interceptor
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:45
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While Terok Nor isn't technically a ship, it is capable of moving around inside the Bajor system under its own steam. It's renamed Deep Space Nine and is used extensively by the Federation and Bajorans.
answered Nov 9 at 12:23
Valorum
392k10228483083
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Well, it isn't a ship, as you mentioned, but I haven't thought of that at all. Nice one!
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:25
2
If nothing else, it shows that the Federation aren't averse to using non-standard stations (and possibly ships) when the need arises. Much the same is true in TNG: Encounter at Farpoint where they plan to use a pre-built ground station.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:26
1
I have to downvote because DS9, as you pointed, isn't a ship, but also it's legally a Bajoran station not a StarFleet one, it moved only once through the show and nearly tore itself apart in the process, and I'm not convinced about the bunch of Bajoran's sublight raiders/fighters being called a 'fleet'. And, as far as I know, the Bajorans didn't board and capture Terok Nor, more like the Cardassians abandoned it when the retreated from the Bajoran system and the Bajorans moved in afterwards.
– Sava
Nov 9 at 12:39
@Sava - It is, however, incorporated into the Bajoran fleet. It was also (on at least one occasion) captured and used by the Dominion, then re-captured by the Federation.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:39
3
@Sava - They have sufficient ships to form a (relatively in)effective blockade; memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bajoran_interceptor
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:45
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26
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up vote
26
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While Terok Nor isn't technically a ship, it is capable of moving around inside the Bajor system under its own steam. It's renamed Deep Space Nine and is used extensively by the Federation and Bajorans.
answered Nov 9 at 12:23
Valorum
392k10228483083
While Terok Nor isn't technically a ship, it is capable of moving around inside the Bajor system under its own steam. It's renamed Deep Space Nine and is used extensively by the Federation and Bajorans.
answered Nov 9 at 12:23
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answered Nov 9 at 12:23
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answered Nov 9 at 12:23
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answered Nov 9 at 12:23
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Well, it isn't a ship, as you mentioned, but I haven't thought of that at all. Nice one!
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:25
2
If nothing else, it shows that the Federation aren't averse to using non-standard stations (and possibly ships) when the need arises. Much the same is true in TNG: Encounter at Farpoint where they plan to use a pre-built ground station.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:26
1
I have to downvote because DS9, as you pointed, isn't a ship, but also it's legally a Bajoran station not a StarFleet one, it moved only once through the show and nearly tore itself apart in the process, and I'm not convinced about the bunch of Bajoran's sublight raiders/fighters being called a 'fleet'. And, as far as I know, the Bajorans didn't board and capture Terok Nor, more like the Cardassians abandoned it when the retreated from the Bajoran system and the Bajorans moved in afterwards.
– Sava
Nov 9 at 12:39
@Sava - It is, however, incorporated into the Bajoran fleet. It was also (on at least one occasion) captured and used by the Dominion, then re-captured by the Federation.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:39
3
@Sava - They have sufficient ships to form a (relatively in)effective blockade; memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bajoran_interceptor
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:45
|
show 4 more comments
1
Well, it isn't a ship, as you mentioned, but I haven't thought of that at all. Nice one!
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:25
2
If nothing else, it shows that the Federation aren't averse to using non-standard stations (and possibly ships) when the need arises. Much the same is true in TNG: Encounter at Farpoint where they plan to use a pre-built ground station.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:26
1
I have to downvote because DS9, as you pointed, isn't a ship, but also it's legally a Bajoran station not a StarFleet one, it moved only once through the show and nearly tore itself apart in the process, and I'm not convinced about the bunch of Bajoran's sublight raiders/fighters being called a 'fleet'. And, as far as I know, the Bajorans didn't board and capture Terok Nor, more like the Cardassians abandoned it when the retreated from the Bajoran system and the Bajorans moved in afterwards.
– Sava
Nov 9 at 12:39
@Sava - It is, however, incorporated into the Bajoran fleet. It was also (on at least one occasion) captured and used by the Dominion, then re-captured by the Federation.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:39
3
@Sava - They have sufficient ships to form a (relatively in)effective blockade; memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bajoran_interceptor
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:45
1
1
Well, it isn't a ship, as you mentioned, but I haven't thought of that at all. Nice one!
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:25
Well, it isn't a ship, as you mentioned, but I haven't thought of that at all. Nice one!
– Edmund Dantes
Nov 9 at 12:25
2
2
If nothing else, it shows that the Federation aren't averse to using non-standard stations (and possibly ships) when the need arises. Much the same is true in TNG: Encounter at Farpoint where they plan to use a pre-built ground station.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:26
If nothing else, it shows that the Federation aren't averse to using non-standard stations (and possibly ships) when the need arises. Much the same is true in TNG: Encounter at Farpoint where they plan to use a pre-built ground station.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:26
1
1
I have to downvote because DS9, as you pointed, isn't a ship, but also it's legally a Bajoran station not a StarFleet one, it moved only once through the show and nearly tore itself apart in the process, and I'm not convinced about the bunch of Bajoran's sublight raiders/fighters being called a 'fleet'. And, as far as I know, the Bajorans didn't board and capture Terok Nor, more like the Cardassians abandoned it when the retreated from the Bajoran system and the Bajorans moved in afterwards.
– Sava
Nov 9 at 12:39
I have to downvote because DS9, as you pointed, isn't a ship, but also it's legally a Bajoran station not a StarFleet one, it moved only once through the show and nearly tore itself apart in the process, and I'm not convinced about the bunch of Bajoran's sublight raiders/fighters being called a 'fleet'. And, as far as I know, the Bajorans didn't board and capture Terok Nor, more like the Cardassians abandoned it when the retreated from the Bajoran system and the Bajorans moved in afterwards.
– Sava
Nov 9 at 12:39
@Sava - It is, however, incorporated into the Bajoran fleet. It was also (on at least one occasion) captured and used by the Dominion, then re-captured by the Federation.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:39
@Sava - It is, however, incorporated into the Bajoran fleet. It was also (on at least one occasion) captured and used by the Dominion, then re-captured by the Federation.
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:39
3
3
@Sava - They have sufficient ships to form a (relatively in)effective blockade; memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bajoran_interceptor
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:45
@Sava - They have sufficient ships to form a (relatively in)effective blockade; memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bajoran_interceptor
– Valorum
Nov 9 at 12:45
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The Kazon fleet comprises entirely of vessels taken from their former enslavers, the Trabe
NEELIX: They're Trabe vessels, actually. Everything the Kazon have, they stole from the Trabe. Mabus will tell you all about it over
a sumptuous dinner. The food hasn't been very good where we've been.
answered Nov 9 at 12:43
Valorum
392k10228483083
Interesting find! Although I find it hardly surprising that revolutionaries permanently incorporate the military equipment left behind by the recently overthrown government. ;-) Which makes sense because the new government has access to the same supporting resources (both experience/documentation and maintenance tools) – especially considering your highly praised comment underneath the question.
– David Foerster
Nov 10 at 16:08
add a comment |
up vote
26
down vote
The Kazon fleet comprises entirely of vessels taken from their former enslavers, the Trabe
NEELIX: They're Trabe vessels, actually. Everything the Kazon have, they stole from the Trabe. Mabus will tell you all about it over
a sumptuous dinner. The food hasn't been very good where we've been.
answered Nov 9 at 12:43
Valorum
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Interesting find! Although I find it hardly surprising that revolutionaries permanently incorporate the military equipment left behind by the recently overthrown government. ;-) Which makes sense because the new government has access to the same supporting resources (both experience/documentation and maintenance tools) – especially considering your highly praised comment underneath the question.
– David Foerster
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The Kazon fleet comprises entirely of vessels taken from their former enslavers, the Trabe
NEELIX: They're Trabe vessels, actually. Everything the Kazon have, they stole from the Trabe. Mabus will tell you all about it over
a sumptuous dinner. The food hasn't been very good where we've been.
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The Kazon fleet comprises entirely of vessels taken from their former enslavers, the Trabe
NEELIX: They're Trabe vessels, actually. Everything the Kazon have, they stole from the Trabe. Mabus will tell you all about it over
a sumptuous dinner. The food hasn't been very good where we've been.
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Interesting find! Although I find it hardly surprising that revolutionaries permanently incorporate the military equipment left behind by the recently overthrown government. ;-) Which makes sense because the new government has access to the same supporting resources (both experience/documentation and maintenance tools) – especially considering your highly praised comment underneath the question.
– David Foerster
Nov 10 at 16:08
add a comment |
Interesting find! Although I find it hardly surprising that revolutionaries permanently incorporate the military equipment left behind by the recently overthrown government. ;-) Which makes sense because the new government has access to the same supporting resources (both experience/documentation and maintenance tools) – especially considering your highly praised comment underneath the question.
– David Foerster
Nov 10 at 16:08
Interesting find! Although I find it hardly surprising that revolutionaries permanently incorporate the military equipment left behind by the recently overthrown government. ;-) Which makes sense because the new government has access to the same supporting resources (both experience/documentation and maintenance tools) – especially considering your highly praised comment underneath the question.
– David Foerster
Nov 10 at 16:08
Interesting find! Although I find it hardly surprising that revolutionaries permanently incorporate the military equipment left behind by the recently overthrown government. ;-) Which makes sense because the new government has access to the same supporting resources (both experience/documentation and maintenance tools) – especially considering your highly praised comment underneath the question.
– David Foerster
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U.S.S. Defiant, NCC-1764, Constitution class cruiser.
Originally built by:
United Federation of Planets
Captured by:
The Tholian Assembly in TOS S3E09 "The Tholian Web"
Captured by, and incorporated into the fleet of:
The Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) in ENT S4E18 & S4E19 "In a Mirror, Darkly"
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U.S.S. Defiant, NCC-1764, Constitution class cruiser.
Originally built by:
United Federation of Planets
Captured by:
The Tholian Assembly in TOS S3E09 "The Tholian Web"
Captured by, and incorporated into the fleet of:
The Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) in ENT S4E18 & S4E19 "In a Mirror, Darkly"
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U.S.S. Defiant, NCC-1764, Constitution class cruiser.
Originally built by:
United Federation of Planets
Captured by:
The Tholian Assembly in TOS S3E09 "The Tholian Web"
Captured by, and incorporated into the fleet of:
The Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) in ENT S4E18 & S4E19 "In a Mirror, Darkly"
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U.S.S. Defiant, NCC-1764, Constitution class cruiser.
Originally built by:
United Federation of Planets
Captured by:
The Tholian Assembly in TOS S3E09 "The Tholian Web"
Captured by, and incorporated into the fleet of:
The Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) in ENT S4E18 & S4E19 "In a Mirror, Darkly"
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Although it didn't last too long, the Nyrians captured Voyager in Displaced. After all the Voyager crew were replaced, their leader stated "Your vessel will be used to defend Nyrian acquisitions."
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The question ask for ship that are 'permanently' added to the fleet, not temporarily.
– Sava
Nov 12 at 18:22
@Sava - Sure, but the aim seems to have been to include it in their fleet
– Valorum
Nov 12 at 18:28
@Sava True, I did overlook that.
– Brandon Dybala
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Although it didn't last too long, the Nyrians captured Voyager in Displaced. After all the Voyager crew were replaced, their leader stated "Your vessel will be used to defend Nyrian acquisitions."
answered Nov 12 at 18:12
Brandon Dybala
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The question ask for ship that are 'permanently' added to the fleet, not temporarily.
– Sava
Nov 12 at 18:22
@Sava - Sure, but the aim seems to have been to include it in their fleet
– Valorum
Nov 12 at 18:28
@Sava True, I did overlook that.
– Brandon Dybala
Nov 12 at 18:31
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Although it didn't last too long, the Nyrians captured Voyager in Displaced. After all the Voyager crew were replaced, their leader stated "Your vessel will be used to defend Nyrian acquisitions."
answered Nov 12 at 18:12
Brandon Dybala
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Although it didn't last too long, the Nyrians captured Voyager in Displaced. After all the Voyager crew were replaced, their leader stated "Your vessel will be used to defend Nyrian acquisitions."
answered Nov 12 at 18:12
Brandon Dybala
1757
answered Nov 12 at 18:12
Brandon Dybala
1757
answered Nov 12 at 18:12
Brandon Dybala
1757
answered Nov 12 at 18:12
Brandon Dybala
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The question ask for ship that are 'permanently' added to the fleet, not temporarily.
– Sava
Nov 12 at 18:22
@Sava - Sure, but the aim seems to have been to include it in their fleet
– Valorum
Nov 12 at 18:28
@Sava True, I did overlook that.
– Brandon Dybala
Nov 12 at 18:31
add a comment |
The question ask for ship that are 'permanently' added to the fleet, not temporarily.
– Sava
Nov 12 at 18:22
@Sava - Sure, but the aim seems to have been to include it in their fleet
– Valorum
Nov 12 at 18:28
@Sava True, I did overlook that.
– Brandon Dybala
Nov 12 at 18:31
The question ask for ship that are 'permanently' added to the fleet, not temporarily.
– Sava
Nov 12 at 18:22
The question ask for ship that are 'permanently' added to the fleet, not temporarily.
– Sava
Nov 12 at 18:22
@Sava - Sure, but the aim seems to have been to include it in their fleet
– Valorum
Nov 12 at 18:28
@Sava - Sure, but the aim seems to have been to include it in their fleet
– Valorum
Nov 12 at 18:28
@Sava True, I did overlook that.
– Brandon Dybala
Nov 12 at 18:31
@Sava True, I did overlook that.
– Brandon Dybala
Nov 12 at 18:31
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It strikes me that a captured ship would be a millstone. Constantly breaking down, hard to maintain, permanently lacking dedicated drydock facilities, in desperate need of hard-to-get spares and hated by the crews. Over time it would simply break as soon as a unique part was unavailable and you'd have to refit it to take your own systems, like O'Brien spent months/years trying to get DS9 to work properly.
– Valorum
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You mean, like Deep Space 9? :)
– Edmund Dantes
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I was also thinking of the Iraqi experience in Gulf I. They left entire batallions of tanks on the battlefield for the want of $1 parts that could have been easily sourced if they hadn't been under embargo.
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And I was thinking about Earth "sea ships" being boarded and captured by enemy forces, repainted / given a new name and flag, and then used to attack the enemy and their former-sister ships. I AM aware that wooden ships were much simpler and more compatible than starships :) Still, I would like to see Starfleet facing a Galaxy-class starship repainted and manned by Klingons/Romulans, just because they failed to destroy it before it was captured.
– Edmund Dantes
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The more complex a ship or vessel, the more requirement there is to have specialist single-usage parts. My car, for example, can't function without its computer module and those modules are only available from the manufacturer. In a few decades, those parts will be obsolete and the car will be too, even though it might remain in mint condition otherwise. And all for want of a $5 module.
– Valorum
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